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9" Cavity Block u-value ??

  • 07-12-2023 2:56pm
    #1
    Registered Users Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭


    Can anyone help with an aproximate u-value of a 9" cavity block please ?

    I'm just looking to do heatloss calculations

    Thanks in advance



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭con747


    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    Hopefully this helps




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭Big Lar


    I would imagine that air circulation inside the cavity block itself would reduce any U value to little or nothing



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭championc


    Actually, I think it will be "concrete hollow block", so 2.4



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    On the 300mm cavity, is that the total width of the wall with a cavity?

    I've recently had the pleasure of coring through the block walls and that's more or less the width of the wall.

    Interesting how pumping the walls make it 0.6 no matter the age of the house.

    Mines in the F category. Suppose it's because it's got about an inch of aeroboard on the inner skin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    I believe S.R.54 has concrete cavity blocks as 2.09 W/m^2K as a baseline value. I'm not sure where post 3 replies come from, interested as it looks like its from an official document, that makes its R value 0.48 m^2k/W. That said, I found a few values, and it may depend on the density of the block? I think Part L TDG may give a different value though.

    Depending on how accurate you want it, I'd say the most accurate way would be to calculate the R-value of the section of of block thats concrete through and then the R value for the sections that are concrete+air+concrete inside to out. That could be calculated by getting the depth of a section and dividing by the thermal conductivity (lambda or K value, units of W/m.K). ie R=L/lambda, then add the percentage of the different R values and derive the U value? or just use the 2.09 or if there is something available in Part L?

    I have found lambda values for concrete at 0.9-1.0 W/m.K





  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    I should say to clear something up, S.R.54 says the baseline U-value for a hollow block is 2.09 so the R-value would be 0.478.

    The value from the DEAP manual says for age A-E, a U-value for a hollow block is

    2.4 so the R-value would be 0.41

    Not much of a difference, and as its given as the U-value, that has to be the complete path for heat to cross including the air space.

    I realise different blocks will have different values, but you would think the DEAP manual and the NSAI document (S.R.54) would be aligned, ie that DEAP would take its values from NSAI??? Who wrote or controls DEAP? I'll go and see if I can download the manual??

    S.R.54 mentions a baseline value, DEAP has a range of values

    BUT, I am wondering, why the older age categories show the U-value reducing in the DEAP extract, i.e lower thermal transmittance, therefore supposedly improving in thermal performance??? am I missing something here? or it's because it's an extract?

    It looks like an error???



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Produced by the SEAI. DEAP is the BER software AFAIK.

    No idea where they got the numbers, but thats the numbers the BER assessors use unless you can prove otherwise (via documentation)

    Page 158 for the first table, 157 for the Age table. Its somewhat based on what would have been building code at the time of construction.



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