Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

If US has no influence on Israel's behaviour(I think it does) then maybe they are motivated not to abandon an ally and thereby call into question their commitments to other allies that they have or wish to have.

I also wonder what would happen if the States did abandon Israel .

I think Israel would still fight its corner(and receive support worldwide)

So on Wednesday this thread was dominated with discussion about rape as weapon of war, on Thursday it was dominated with discussion about Gay rights, and yesterday it was dominated with discussion about the trustworthiness of Drs.

Well played in all who achieved this.

A master stroke in deflection and refocusing of the discussion to limit conversation on the continued brutality of Israel as it once again shows chilling similarities with the experiences Jewish people suffered 80 years ago and Palestinians in Gaza today.

Whether its the US and UK representatives at the UN security council preventing a resolution to call for a ceasefire, German officials having people declare the Jewish state having a right to exist as part of immigration procedures, US Congress passing a law that says antizionism is antisemitism, US congressional hearings reacting to 3 Palestinians shot in Vermont with giving Jewish students a platform to say how hearing protests calling for a ceasefire is triggering for them, the BBC referring to a murdered poet as a 'controversial writer' or the posters on here who managed to focus the conversation away from acts of Genocide, you're all doing the same thing and doing so depressingly successfully.

Israel is a rogue state, carrying out a genocide, its able to do this in part because of all those above. Well done.

This is a picture that I've looked at before and always taken a moment to reflect on what it represents.

It is an art memorial on the shores of the Danube in Budapest, Hungary that represents the memory of the Jewish people who were massacred by a fascist militia 79 years ago this month.

Now, and in future, whenever I see or think of this memorial, which is very powerful, I will also think about the following image.

This was taken this week as IDF soldiers entered Gaza and arrested hundreds of men and stripped them almost naked, including their shoes before binding their arms and taking them away.

Israel PR said that these were all captured Hamas members except within hours reports emerged identifying some of the people as being journalists or even 1 working for a UN organisation.

Israel is doing more to erode the empathy people across the world has/had for the Jewish people and their historic suffering. I have a strong hatred for people who are using the fact of that suffering to excuse the Israeli PM, Government and Military behaving in ways which are very similar as to how those who persecuted the Jews enmasse behaved.

I've said it on here before, I'll say it again, that there are evil people isn't a surprise, that unfortunately there can be a time when a large group of them meet in the same place and gain power which allows them to act out their evil intent. That this would happen in the same lifetime of many who survived the persecution of Jewish people last century to see their own country speaking of and behaving towards another community in the ways we are seeing, is a surprise. Underlined by the fact that the Jewish people who survived the intent of the Nazis did so using the phrase 'Never Again' as a promise/hope that such suffering would not be experienced again.

But the worst and most depressing thing about these realities is that now, the persecutors of this intent in the 21st century, is the Government and Military of the Jewish state. And their biggest supporters are countries who watched what was being done to their people in the past and said that this must be stopped. Whatever the cost, it must be stopped. - Yesterday, these countries, the United States and the United Kingdom refused to call for Israel to halt the death and destruction it is inflicting on the Palestinians in Gaza.

This probably makes sense in your head.

No one is justifying bombing children.

Good to see a few more European states back the ceasefire last night, shameful stuff from the G7 members.

hamas released a video earlier showing the dead body of a hostage who had clearly been tortured and mutilated, and then blamed Israel for breaking his hands and arms and gouging out his eyes before killing him. But God forbid some suspected terrorists have to strip to their underwear to check for weapons or bombs. War crimes! Why are Israel held to such different standards here? Again, a ceasefire has to come from both sides.

And todays agenda is Israel = Nazi. Been a few days since this was wheeled out.

Yep, this is what Israel has done. Made comparisons with their greatest enemy valid conversation.

Right wing media in the US yesterday led with a townhall column saying 'there are no innocent Palestinians'. This was exactly the rhetoric used by Nazis to justify their killing of Jewish children.

Its made it a popular playbook but not really valid but sure thats never mattered to ye.

"Israeli PM, Nethanyahu, Oct 14th (Link)

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Netanyahu is the PM, not President. That's Herzog, who didn't say what that headline said (here's the original article):

Doesn't matter much, both he and Netanyahu need to go yesterday.

Mark Levin is a Trump-filching extreme MAGA loon; there are lots of those in the US, I don't think Levin's particularly influential. Has it in for anyone that isn't him.

Brian Mast and his ilk are described here, which is a pretty good summary of US politics nowadays.

Hello Strawman.

I think this image is beings used as if it's comparable to some kind of ISIS massacre where moments later they're all shot in the head or beheaded and thrown into a pit. They're only being arrested.

This is one of your better posts.