Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

Gusser09 · 09-12-2023 9:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473677#Comment_121473677

Its a forum full of people with different opinions.

Fr Tod Umptious · 09-12-2023 10:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473751#Comment_121473751

I always think the most plausible scenario was that he ended up in the water.

Young men with alcohol in their systems ending up drowning is unfortunately not that uncommon.

GHendrix · 09-12-2023 10:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121469355#Comment_121469355

I just don’t understand this at all.

The only reason this case is still open is because of public appeals and lots of people coming forward with helpful information.

No, The Garda don’t have to keep us updated if they don’t want to.

But if they’re serious about solving the case, it would be wise to update the public on a significant piece of information that was central to Their public appeal and rules out the main theory that the man at the gate is following him.

That seems like something that might be worth sharing.

Padraig Mor · 09-12-2023 11:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121470230#Comment_121470230

Gold star for Tod! The chap had indeed come forward at the time according to the Times today:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/12/09/man-walking-behind-trevor-deely-on-night-of-disappearance-had-already-made-garda-statement/

GHendrix · 09-12-2023 11:40am

Yeah that makes more sense if he came forward years ago and they’ve just managed to confirm now that it’s definitely him.

Although, I still think even with the bad footage, you’d probably be able to identify yourself no?

At least this information can now move the investigation forward a bit. There was a few people on Haddington road that were close to Trevor and saw nothing.

So whatever happened obviously came a bit later. Who knows by how much though.

odyssey06 · 09-12-2023 1:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473751#Comment_121473751

On a previous thread someone had put up the weather for the point of the night when TD would have been walking home, and there was nowhere near winds like that at that point iirc

Unless he was still walking at 9am which seems dubious.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/ie/dublin

Gusser09 · 09-12-2023 1:44pm

Now that the infamous MIBs are stwrting to be ruled out it might point to something less sinister happening. Tragic that no body was ever recovered.

Princess Calla · 09-12-2023 2:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474537#Comment_121474537

To be fair you could easily lose your footing on a calm night.

I know at the time lots of people believed the dodder theory and he'll wash up eventually.

However the fact that they spent alot of resources on the dig would suggest there's definitely something more going on in the background.

suvigirl · 09-12-2023 2:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474015#Comment_121474015

Are you suggesting that people will only help with Garda appeals if they are updated about investigations?

Thankfully, most people will respond with information because they want to help.

Gusser09 · 09-12-2023 2:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474995#Comment_121474995

Have you actually anything of value to add? Or are you just here to snipe at other peoples opinion.

odyssey06 · 09-12-2023 3:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474914#Comment_121474914

And also - did the route home even bring him close to the Dodder where that could have happened?

Yes - during the last media flurry foul play of some sort seemed to be the working theory.

Gusser09 · 09-12-2023 3:28pm

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Thats amazing really.

Princess Calla · 09-12-2023 3:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474995#Comment_121474995

Well people need to be aware that an investigation is taking place.....how do they know this without updates?

Generally speaking most missing person cases hardly register with people, you might take a passing interest.

So without updates and appeals people won't come forward with information, for the simple reason, they didn't know that the information was being sought in the first place.

suvigirl · 09-12-2023 4:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475277#Comment_121475277

Yes, appeals when they need information. Not constant updates on open investigations. Big difference.

Gusser09 · 09-12-2023 4:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475420#Comment_121475420

Its a very big break in the case

Arguably one of the biggest. The casual " oh yeah he came forward and has been ruled out" comment is very strange.

The danger is that the general public will lose interest, stop clicking on the headlines and forget about Trevor.

Thats sort of the way i feel after the latest news.

How long was this sat on i wonder.

suvigirl · 09-12-2023 4:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475524#Comment_121475524

Doesn't matter what the general public feel because they are not constantly updated on investigations.

The investigation is the important thing and the families.

AGS are not a true crime podcast, they don't release information for general consumption. Anything they release or appeal for, is part of a live investigation.

You can have all the theories in the world about different cases. I'm merely pointing out that these are real life investigations, not just to satisfy people's inquisitiveness.

Quite possible that should they have another appeal, they will state that the man has been ruled out of the inquiry

GHendrix · 09-12-2023 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475420#Comment_121475420

Nobody asked for constant updates though.

If you put out an appeal asking people to identify a person and then you identify that person and rule them out, it seems like something worth updating the public on. At the very least so they know the appeal is no longer valid…

As mentioned, this is a huge piece of news.

suvigirl · 09-12-2023 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475582#Comment_121475582

No, they are not going to tell people not to come forward.

The more information the better.

Fr Tod Umptious · 09-12-2023 5:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475582#Comment_121475582

But that's what happened.

The public were updated that the person on Haddington Rd was identified.

The fact that it came via the Deely family is irrelevant.

Maybe that's the way the Gardai and the Deely family agreed to release the information.

ittakestwo · 09-12-2023 5:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475185#Comment_121475185

He would have had to have walked over the Dodder at some point from where he was last seen on CCTV to where is home is. Most likely it would have been at ballsbridge village. Given the 3 day lag from when he was first announced missing he probably would have been well out in the irish sea at that stage

09-12-2023 5:11pm

If he had been aiming to get to his Serpentine Ave apartment ASAP from Haddington Road junction the would have been the optimal route. However, an alternative would have been the parallel route above it. On this very wet stormy night it might have been a more sheltered route along narrow lanes with muse houses, and if he did need to have a pee urgently after the night out and follow up tea drinking, he would have been able to do that discreetly, and would likely be familiar with the route. However, if this was his trajectory it would have made sense to cross over to the right side at the lights at the top of Haddington Road.

odyssey06 · 09-12-2023 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475642#Comment_121475642

I've walked 'over' rivers countless times around Dublin, that doesn't mean I'm in a place where one slip and I'm in water that will carry me away.

At Ballsbridge Village, aren't there railings or stone walls etc around the Dodder?

ittakestwo · 09-12-2023 6:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121475710#Comment_121475710

Yes but countless times you walk home at and get home. So it is unusual he did not get home which goes in hand with something unusual happening. There seems to be no motive for foul play and a body was never recovered so the unusual event of falling into the dodder becomes more likely here.

He picked up an umbrella At work. It was still fairly windy tho the main gusts did not pick up till 6am as measured in dublin airport that morning. A gust could have took his umbrella off him as he was crossing the dodder and went to try and get it but slipped.

FrankN1 · 09-12-2023 6:34pm

It was a perfect storm unfortunately.

Personally think he went somewhere else and not directly home. Then obviously got caught up in something.

odyssey06 · 09-12-2023 6:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476007#Comment_121476007

You're not making a convincing argument when you can't even point to where this supposedly risky point of the Dodder is where this could have happened, in what has been downgraded from 'stormy' to 'fairly windy'. It is implausibility added to implausibility.

"Crossing the Dodder".

He wasn't fording it. You mentioned Ballsbridge Village, so he was walking across a standard Irish pedestrian bridge with waist high railings or walls.

ittakestwo · 09-12-2023 7:20pm

When something unusual happes that nobody witnessed can you make a convincing argument? He did not get home. It was a wet and windy night. Went to his office on way home to get an umbrella and his route home took him over a river. Perhaps his umbrella blew away from him in a gust as he was crossing and went to retrieve and fell in dodder or simply went there to take a piss and slipped.

Btw if you look up the other weather station in dublin at Casement it shows a strong gusts at 3am which Dublin Airport station does not pick up. People who remember the night tho describe it as a wet stormy night.

odyssey06 · 09-12-2023 7:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476224#Comment_121476224

It took him over a river - a river in built up Dublin, a young man in his prime, on a walk home well lighted by streetlights, pedestrian bridge protected by side wall \ rail. Has anybody ever witnessed somebody falling in unintentionally from such a location? None that I can recall.

If it was in a poorly lit, rural location where he would have been beside the unprotected river it might be more plausible, but for the route home outlined, it is just not plausible.

Gusser09 · 09-12-2023 7:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476066#Comment_121476066

Where would he have gone though at at the time?

People and media have suggested criminals operating in that area. What criminals? Haddington road. I doubt it very much. Quiet enough around there even back then.

GHendrix · 09-12-2023 7:31pm

I don’t think people seem to realise that an informant actually came forward and told Garda that Trevor was shot by an Crumlin criminal and may have been buried in the wasteland in Chapelizod.

The informant didn’t want any reward or anything like that. A huge amount of drugs and a gun were found at the site so it obviously was used by criminals.

Just because a body wasn’t found doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The informant might not have known the exact location he was buried but mentioned Chapelizod as a possibility.

The Garda found the information very credible and I’m almost sure it’s still the focus of the investigation.

The informant had no obvious motive to lie.

ittakestwo · 09-12-2023 7:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476238#Comment_121476238

It is not plausible that a gust of wind took his precious umbrella that he went to get at 4am off him as he crossed the dodder on that stormy night. Might have blown it down to the bank and he went down to get it but slipped in. It would be very unusual and bad luck but we do know something unusual happened to him that night.

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