Farronshoneen Roundabout

I would think They will be raising the surface locally at the crossing points to create a table / speed bump

The new version of the roundabout will be hugely pedestrian friendly which ticks the ‘green box’ for justification and that is all that counts the fact that there will be more crawling and idling car engines is offset by the ‘modal shift’ that the frustration of being ‘stuck’ in traffic will result in. they the greens envisage a future especially for urban dwellers without the need for any kind of private vehicle. So this short term pain for the motorist is fully justified. We can Look forward to more of these types of projects 😀

There is/was a public consultation process on this back in April/may this year. Majority of public don’t / didn’t know about it or didn’t look at it closely enough to appreciate what was intended or planned to be constructed so in lots of ways the public has only itself to blame…?

Must have a look at the link…..will be interesting to see when complete what the impact will actually be vs the current perception that it will result in longer tail backs and idling engines spewing even more co2 and other noxious fumes into the atmospshere…?

Will we witness hoards of bicycles, scooters and walkers criss crossing the roundabout due by to it’s new improved features…?

Came through from ORR towards UHW at 12 noon, no problem. Two lanes on the ORR approach (one currently closed) from Cork Road , one single new lane apparently on the John's Hill entrance side. Very wide footpaths in evidence. Pedestrians plus bikes?

When all done and dusted will be interesting to compare the commute times at peak periods to the pre works layout commute times…..? Will the increase in crawling/idling time be minutes or tens of minutes longer. Would it be too much to expect that the ‘engineers’ in charge would have recorded these times so that a valid comparison can be made…!

What do these guys actually do then apart from dreaming up projects that piss off annoy the public at large……..you have a very cynical / arrogant negative view of council personnel. some of the projects recently like the subject of this thread are highly questionable but on the other side of the spectrum you have the bilberry rd improvements/greenway upgrade which I think can be said was/is a really excellent project effective apart from the section where you cross at the bridge …?

There were open consultation on this project for a number of weeks, granted it was 18-24 months ago, anyone was free to make submissions/proposals

Maybe the changes are based on public opinion?

Out of interest, what is different? Only the two lanes from Grange to one lane?

Also our of interest what was your proposal to the plans?

I was told before that Local Authorities/Council’s have a huge amount of statutory powers regarding alterations to road layouts etc that don’t need any public involvement…gets harder when they need to buy/acquire land for a project but in case of this project doesn’t look like they needed to buy any additional strip of land to accommodate the ‘improvements’…….however the new footpath width on the Willuamstown road as you approach the roundabout as you go into town could have done with being wider but would have involved land purchase so probably the reason it isn’t happening…?

Viewed as a necessity every household should have, the motor car is a sunk cost. Your asking people to walk past their car and cycle to their destination.

You can take a few steps back and ask why it is viewed as such, but ultimately is a number of conspiring factors giving cause and effect to each other, including convenience, poor public transport, suburban to suburban traffic flows, urban topography etc.

apart from the removal of the relatively short section (50m) of left turning lane as you approach the roundabout coming out from town what other ‘major changes’ have there been…?

This change will no doubt cause longer Q’s at peak times but don’t think it will be as catastrophic as soon contributors are making it out to be…if an average car is say 5m long then chopping off 50m of lane will add 10 cars to the Q of traffic at peak times hard to predict how many minutes / tens of minutes this will equate to but hardly that many…?

Think you will need to explain this a bit further………how is omitting a 50m section of a lane halving the capacity of the overall roundabout….?

I don’t recall the European style roundabout experiment…?

Revelation! Council say it was all our fault.

Local elections coming up... I gurantee this will be high on the list to rectify and bring back the 2 x lanes from farran park towards Tesco, or implement a slip before the roundabout similar to rice bridge heading towards Sally park

The fact two housing estates and a bus stop are located along this section of the road is why the inside lane couldn't be closed until after the bus stop

All you need to know, pay wall but the headline sums it up.

Hope people remember this at local and general elections

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/curbs-on-car-use-likely-as-minister-says-emissions-need-to-descend-like-a-downhill-skier/a700074112.html

Hopefully, I think there's been a massive overreach by various entities in the last 2 years.

On the roundabout issue.

I pass it every day and bar reducing the lanes on one entrance I fail to see the benefits v the disruption caused.

Footpath on R/H side outgoing on Williamstown Rd is an improvement.

...unfortunately yup, our whole approach to our environmental problems are setup to fail, taxing and indebting the population simply wont work, the whole eu needs to sit down and come up with actual adult solutions, but with rising tensions, this is looking less likely so now, so the whole eu is in trouble, and if it falls, we re all in serious trouble....

...tis more than just the greens, but they do have a lot to answer for, its clearly obvious virtually known of these types of approaches will ever work....