Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Apology accepted.

I am curious too.It is/was a dreadful look but I can't say why it happened or even if there is an "official" explanation yet.

Generally I try to get my information from Mainstream media sources that employ people who answer these questions for a living.

I haven't seen this discussed yet although it is a story on the front page of both BBC and CNN's online edition.

War is not acceptable in the first place but it seems to be a sine qua non of progress or regress in the times we are in.

In this conflict it is impossible to say who instigated the latest rounds of fighting and it is also unclear what the picture will look like after the smoke as cleared.

I understand where you are coming from 1000%. And I'm sure that you understand what I was trying to say too. I've worked in many Countries, and it's the same in every one of them. Even in Russia, same thing most are trying to live as best they can. The biggest problem for them is where's the money is coming from to pay the next bill, and there is no social welfare to fall back on. But in all the Countries that I've worked in, they have one common denominator, corruption.

I was offered a job in Jerusalem at one point, and it was a dream come through. Then my visa application was refused, because I was Irish, and would be crossing between Israel and Syria, and they had enough Irish on the heights. (at least that's what I was told. But I still want to go there. And just like you, pick a fresh orange off the branch, and eat it, the cooking, smells the Bazaar's. To walk streets that St. Paul walked. And friendship, when they invite you into their homes. It's a different world, and impossible to describe.

Do you remember a few posts back when I said to you that "words matter"? Be careful what you write.

In the words you quoted, I see nothing that was said that "denies rape". I'd agree that the language is perhaps flippant, but I'm not hanging anyone for language that I wouldn't particularly use myself.

Here's another thing I'll tell you. The first casualty of war is the truth. I'm sure many here have seen the phrase used. And it is the truth. I would be very careful about my sources of information - in fairness, the BBC would be top of the list - but read the BBC reports - they are very careful with their language.

And just because posters here aren't rowing in 100% behind you and your outrage on rape, does not mean that the posters are not outraged. You appear to be outraged about one part of this conflict. There are many parts of this conflict that are outrageous.

Nice one.

I liked your post, as much as I can with rape.

I try my hardest to be honest, but feck me with a chainsaw, I just don't understand.

I'm not an emotive guy, but this is hitting me hard. There is too many dishonest posts. I think there are shills here.

The point I was making about Russia was that before mad Vlad stole the presidency in Russia, Russians and Ukrainians got on fine together, and I was using that to make the point that most Palestinians and Israelis got on fine too. Until someone stirs the pot. The Balkans were the same under Tito, but when he died, that finished it. I've met Serbs, from Serbia, Croats from Croatia and Bosniaks from Bosnia, all of them with the letters JNA tattooed on the knuckles of their hand. J= Jugoslavia, N= Nacional. A= Armija, or Jugoslavia Nacional Armija. Yet after Tito's death, they were at each other's throats. Again, stirred up by a handful of people, and millions died.

The Palestinians I met in Syria, even the ones born there, had a special passport, classifying them as Palestinian refugees which really limited their ability to travel anywhere. They could not get Syrian passports, because they were told, if you are given another passport, you can never return to Palestine.

As for the reluctance of Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon etc to take Palestinian refugees, historically when they did take them in the past, they caused the existing governments many problems. Generally, they stirred up lots of trouble trying to overthrow the existing leaderships. But check it out. It's very interesting.

As for the Israelis, they also claim Palestine as an ancient right, " the Land God gave to me", and having survived Hitlers attempt to exterminate them, for everyone who says the Palestinians have right's, they answer where were our rights when Hitler was killing us? Men Women and Children?

Both of us have lived in that part of the world, and what happened thousands of years ago, is still alive today. You know that too.

I don't have the answer to this situation. There's enough rights and wrongs to go around both sides.

You don't care. Read your post again

I figured something was not quite right there but you weren't being a gobsh*te - so no need to apologise.

It certainly shows, to me anyhow, that we have a good, safe and stable life here in Ireland in comparison. Yes, it would be some world if the biggest scandal anywhere was just a few dodgy politicians and some skangers on the take.

Religion has a lot to answer for... I have a faith, not a religion. And no, I don't believe in God. I believe in something far bigger... But the history of Jerusalem and the shock I got on the Via Dolorosa was genuinely impactful - but only from the historical perspective.

So Israel says 61% of deaths in Gaza are civilians.. And the numbers given say that around 61% of deaths are women and children. That means Israel simply views every Gazan man to be a member of Hamas. Is it any wonder there are so many deaths.

It is beyond my understanding of the world that people can support this.

I don't know if this has been posted before but it needs traction.

Earlier this month the Israelis introduced a practise of forcing palestinians who have legal work permits for Israel to all wear number tags.

They were detained for 3 days some have obvious and hideous open wounds.

The tags have numbers.

These workers CANNOT be hamas they are allowed to work in Israel they are from the west bank and they cannot be criminals they would never have been released.

They still have their work permits they were not revoked. Israel is expecting all palestinians in Israel to wear them.

Bear in mind this started a month ago. Its only going viral online now. It was deliberately silenced.

This is genocide.

This has been fact checked

ITS TRUE

Advisor to Netanyahu on the humiliation of prisoners

Can we not distinguish between Al Qassam and Hamas? I mean we are IRISH .. if the yanks started to call sinn fein the ira or vice versa we would laugh.

Secondly the IDF have not confirmed any rapes. And as I showed above there is altered photos. I mean come on ..

Also you know the IDF has an official policy to rape arab women in some regiments?? In Israel palestinian prisoners are regularly raped and tortured. I mean they make palestinians wear number tags now!

That wasnt what she was saying. It was fake subtitles. Native speakers have corrected it.

You wont fool the irish.

And since you dont even know the difference between Al Qassam and Hamas maybe do some research.

Feel free to point out where I wasn't honest; the contention from @end of the road was "Rape is policy of the IDF." Not proved. The key word is 'policy.' Like, there's a book somewhere given to IDF trainees on how to rape.

You can't. Because EOTR's position is dishonest.

I asked EOTR to provide examples after it said "Many, many...". So far, nothing. And EOTR, if you followed the abortion thread, has lots of prior art showing it to be, politely put, economical with the truth.

HTH

And they retracted it. Besides can you trust she is not paid to say it?

Why know Israel lied about 40 beheaded babied about the rapes. We know Israel shot its own people on the day and most of the damage done was done by Israeli weapons.

We know Israel has bombed and killed some of its own hostages rather than neogtiate.

They make palestinians with legal work permits wear NUMBER TAGS in ISRAEL starting a month ago.

I dont trust a word out of an Israeli spokesperson's mouth.

They are taking vengeance for their grandparents. Not for anything else. And it needs to be stopped.