Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The point I was making about Russia was that before mad Vlad stole the presidency in Russia, Russians and Ukrainians got on fine together, and I was using that to make the point that most Palestinians and Israelis got on fine too. Until someone stirs the pot. The Balkans were the same under Tito, but when he died, that finished it. I've met Serbs, from Serbia, Croats from Croatia and Bosniaks from Bosnia, all of them with the letters JNA tattooed on the knuckles of their hand. J= Jugoslavia, N= Nacional. A= Armija, or Jugoslavia Nacional Armija. Yet after Tito's death, they were at each other's throats. Again, stirred up by a handful of people, and millions died.

The Palestinians I met in Syria, even the ones born there, had a special passport, classifying them as Palestinian refugees which really limited their ability to travel anywhere. They could not get Syrian passports, because they were told, if you are given another passport, you can never return to Palestine.

As for the reluctance of Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon etc to take Palestinian refugees, historically when they did take them in the past, they caused the existing governments many problems. Generally, they stirred up lots of trouble trying to overthrow the existing leaderships. But check it out. It's very interesting.

As for the Israelis, they also claim Palestine as an ancient right, " the Land God gave to me", and having survived Hitlers attempt to exterminate them, for everyone who says the Palestinians have right's, they answer where were our rights when Hitler was killing us? Men Women and Children?

Both of us have lived in that part of the world, and what happened thousands of years ago, is still alive today. You know that too.

I don't have the answer to this situation. There's enough rights and wrongs to go around both sides.

You don't care. Read your post again

I figured something was not quite right there but you weren't being a gobsh*te - so no need to apologise.

It certainly shows, to me anyhow, that we have a good, safe and stable life here in Ireland in comparison. Yes, it would be some world if the biggest scandal anywhere was just a few dodgy politicians and some skangers on the take.

Religion has a lot to answer for... I have a faith, not a religion. And no, I don't believe in God. I believe in something far bigger... But the history of Jerusalem and the shock I got on the Via Dolorosa was genuinely impactful - but only from the historical perspective.

I don't know if this has been posted before but it needs traction.

Earlier this month the Israelis introduced a practise of forcing palestinians who have legal work permits for Israel to all wear number tags.

They were detained for 3 days some have obvious and hideous open wounds.

The tags have numbers.

These workers CANNOT be hamas they are allowed to work in Israel they are from the west bank and they cannot be criminals they would never have been released.

They still have their work permits they were not revoked. Israel is expecting all palestinians in Israel to wear them.

Bear in mind this started a month ago. Its only going viral online now. It was deliberately silenced.

This is genocide.

This has been fact checked

ITS TRUE

Advisor to Netanyahu on the humiliation of prisoners

Can we not distinguish between Al Qassam and Hamas? I mean we are IRISH .. if the yanks started to call sinn fein the ira or vice versa we would laugh.

Secondly the IDF have not confirmed any rapes. And as I showed above there is altered photos. I mean come on ..

Also you know the IDF has an official policy to rape arab women in some regiments?? In Israel palestinian prisoners are regularly raped and tortured. I mean they make palestinians wear number tags now!

That wasnt what she was saying. It was fake subtitles. Native speakers have corrected it.

You wont fool the irish.

And since you dont even know the difference between Al Qassam and Hamas maybe do some research.

Feel free to point out where I wasn't honest; the contention from @end of the road was "Rape is policy of the IDF." Not proved. The key word is 'policy.' Like, there's a book somewhere given to IDF trainees on how to rape.

You can't. Because EOTR's position is dishonest.

I asked EOTR to provide examples after it said "Many, many...". So far, nothing. And EOTR, if you followed the abortion thread, has lots of prior art showing it to be, politely put, economical with the truth.

HTH

And they retracted it. Besides can you trust she is not paid to say it?

Why know Israel lied about 40 beheaded babied about the rapes. We know Israel shot its own people on the day and most of the damage done was done by Israeli weapons.

We know Israel has bombed and killed some of its own hostages rather than neogtiate.

They make palestinians with legal work permits wear NUMBER TAGS in ISRAEL starting a month ago.

I dont trust a word out of an Israeli spokesperson's mouth.

They are taking vengeance for their grandparents. Not for anything else. And it needs to be stopped.

Anyway Israel is getting bored it wants to have a war with lebanon and Iran now.

Also that sucks for us because Irish soldiers are in Iran. I would say they will pull them out soon.

They can't even show us some hamas uniforms to make it look convincing.

Strips guys down they some how have ONE rifle?? DOnt give them clothes back??

Still doesnt explain why they make palestinians with work permits wear number tags in israel now?? And no Israel spokesperson will condemn it. They will contextualize it.

You would of thought they would of took the gun off him before he was stripped. They even released 2 videos of it and messed up

"I have to admit it's embarassing reading back my previous comments which could have been more sensitive to the feelings of those with relatives or friends in Israel"

I thanked your post, but to reiterate, thanks for saying this. You should know though, and I'm sure you do, that it's insensitive to anyone who has ever been raped or sexually assaulted and not believed to make comments like that. I don't think you would do it in normal circumstances so maybe ask yourself why in this case you thought it was ok? Also, I'm sorry if I was kind of harsh with my replies to you. I think if you could see my posts over the past 10+ years, I always stand up for women and never condone or minimize rape. I'm not "hasbara" or whatever some people were insinuating earlier in the thread. And I agree with you, your friend and his family shouldn't be executed for the actions of Hamas.

They are obviously fake videos. Most of the men have been identified two at least were UN workers. Two were only 15 yrs old. And one was a UNWRA school director. But dont you know according to the ISRAELIS the UN is run by hamas now. Oh and so is the irish govt apparantly and if they nuke gaza they are going to sent the remaining palestinians here. FROM AN ACTUAL ISRAELI MINISTER.