Have we lost our Patriotism?

It seems like our patriotism aligns more with the paddy-whackery then it does with characteristics of the UK and US.

Try not to confuse patriotism with jingoism.

...and the worst thing about them is their patriotism.

In spite of the fact that our country was colonised for a thousand years,

It was not a thousand years it was more like 800 so yes the best part of a thousand years but still not that long.

I think the word you are looking for here is ''Jingoism'', which is more what the US and the UK (more specifically England) has/suffers from.

It is most certainly NOT something that we here in Republic should want or need to replicate.

I'll happily stick with our paddy-whackery patriotism, thanks.

Very true, it’s been lost in the last number of years, largely because we don’t actually make our own decision.

This is a new Ireland, we don’t have much say in topics such as immigration, we can protest that the streets are not safe and maybe blame the government and change the government, but the next government will have their hands tied too, policies will still be enforced on us as part of the eu.

We can contribute toward climate change and say that we are playing our part, but again we have no choice. Whether these are moral policies which should be enforced is neither here nor there, but in the context of having patriotism it’s difficult when being Irish is now lost in being European.

All the people shouting patriotism these days are neerdowells

To be moderately proud, verging on self respect is now considered a mortal sin by our new priest like activist class.

It's a very bizarre situation.

Nearly all those talking about solidarity and working class politics today are bored rich kids.

Politics has become detached from a lot of people.

Most people will sidle up to whoever pays the bills and who they can defer to and blame when the **** hits the fan. Anybody who has a different opinion is shot down.

The never ending war in Ukraine and the slaughter of children in Palestine, which we financially, by proxy, and indifference, support, is an example of this.

your community. Your people are the people around you. If you try helping people too far off .. you often end up doing more harm. All the people in my community are my people regardless of colour /religion. The people of Dublin no matter where they come from are my people. The people of Ireland no matter what their origin. I dont put them above others. I see securing our rights as securing human rights for all.

Is that not patriotism?

And yes I believe in a united Ireland. I see partition as an injustice that needs to be corrected with respect for unionist rights. I believe it should be done democratically. 80% of deprived areas in the north are irish. Still. I dont believe the british want to change that. I think they need to keep it that way.

I believe in a border poll but i dont hold with this we need a supermajority that just says that one protestant vote is worth 2 catholic ones all over again.

And regardless of the polls outcome the Irish nation has a right to be united and to be able to look out for each other.

Badmouthing is fine. Accepting abuse or anti Irishness it shouldnt be. Like we can take a joke. But a joke is a joke and there is a line.

It leads to trade unions, that is what it leads to.

I feel Irish in my soul.

I know that this is real sean nos and some some american young one warbling. Cuz I am Irish.

Shane Mc Gowans funeral was the first Irish funeral many had seen abroad ... its part of me

Its fluid ... It can be denise Chaila .. it can be phil lynott. It can be All that Ireland can be.

The tactic of conflating patriotism with racism used to wash a few years back, but not anymore.

Best definition of patriotism I ever heard was:

".... ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country"

JFK inaugural speech January 1961

When I saw iloveyourvibes post above, that's what came straight to mind.

The funny thing about the idea of patriotism is that it’s usually very similar to the person’s own personal beliefs.

If "patriotism" is about waving Ivory Coast Flags, jumping on crazy conspiracies on covid and vaccines, promoting white and christian supremacy then no thanks

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Apologies, you are quite correct

Bit of a daft question really. The "patriots" promoting white supremacy are the people I am talking about.

Patriotism to me is remembering a female relative of mine fought in 1916 ,was captured and imprisoned for short while . She must have experienced the highs of battle and the terror of knowing she could die.Her name is well known and her experiences documented.

History doesn’t tell us if her husband got his dinner the night she was captured.

All.complete rubbish

The default custodians of republicanism and patriotism in Ireland would like a word...