Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Defending themselves since 1948 you mean, when they were attacked.

Defending themselves against all their neighbours, since the time of their existence.

I understand, you are under the illusion of Irish republicans that have made you believe that Ireland and the Palestinians are somehow alike, and your hatred of Israel is because they are the same as the big bad Brits.

It's not and you need to broaden your mind.

A training video that showed exactly no people stripped or kneeling in the street like you claimed. Something I had seen before.

Try this: About the Nakba - Question of Palestine (un.org)

And perhaps this: History of Israel - Wikipedia

I'm not saying your statements are incorrect - just that it is way more complex than "Defending themselves since 1948 you mean, when they were attacked".

And so that will be the fate of the state of Israel.

Stripped to their underwear wand kneeling in the street as the point that was argued. It was not in the Training Video. They don't do that. However i'm not going to argue with you on this anymore as it seems futile.

Rather than turn people against Hamas what the IDF are doing will swell their ranks and in a few years there'll be another Oct 7th when these angry young men strike again. Rinse and Repeat.

Very good question to which I don't have a direct answer.

I would say an ordinary civilian is someone going about their daily business trying to make ends meet and not causing any trouble. As regards differentiating a member of Hamas, or a least a member who is an active combatant, I really don't know. I'd probably whittle it down to (and this is very simplistic, I know) a Hamas combatant would not be anyone under the age of 18, anyone over the age of 70, female or disabled. Of course, there will be exceptions to that - a 20 year old female. I would certainly doubt the majority of the women and children killed so far are unlikely to be Hamas combatants.

That said, many of my female Israeli friends were in the IDF.

Good question though.

The IDF are storming through Gaza, of course they are going to take losses but thankfully it is smaller than the many thousands of jihadis killed.

The more effectively Israel can win against Hamas, the quicker they can force aid through to the people there.

A few weeks more will see it through.

Hamas can always choose to release the supplies they have stored and stolen over the last 8 weeks.

They certainly were close to Hamas. For a region with uncertain food supply not one of them had seen a plate that wasn't overfilled in months.

Hunger is for the people not the activists of Hamas

This is an article on the Israeli policy of subduing Gaza (subsistence living only):

Cage, Smother, Subdue, Repeat: Israel’s Gaza Policy | Human Rights Watch (hrw.org)

I only post these articles so people can choose to inform themselves of some of the complexities of Israel/Palestine. Or choose to carry on posting here in ignorance and post statements that do not do service to the history/politics of the region. And certainly do not do any service to the people that live there - on both sides.

No - Jewish Militants attacked the Palestinians first and stole their land (1947). The war commenced after the British mandate ended and they left Palestine (Source: United Nations).

Facts matter.

The acquisition of territory by force has been illegal since the 1940's.

Which is why Israel is seeking to eradicate Hamas from Gaza and thereafter hunt down its leaders abroad.

If Hamas in Gaza would release the hostages and surrender things could start to improve for Gazans. Calling for Israel to ceasefire without calling for Hamas to at least release the hostages at these marches is hopeless.

I think Hamas underestimated how ‘successful’ their 7th October attacked would be and therefore also underestimated the extent to which Israel would retaliate.

As well as all the innocent lives being lost what comes next for Gaza is a major concern. PA very reluctant to go into Gaza ‘on Israeli tanks’ and apparently only wish to do so if no Israeli security presence and Israel are saying they must have a security presence and/or a buffer zone apparently.

any of the countries that "attacked" it did so as they got intel that israel were going to invade them and they simply defended themselves.

some serious selective propaganda beliefs there!

You think that immediately after Israel was declared a state, that all neighbouring countries had intelligence that Israel were going to attack them?

Seriously? In the aftermath of world war 2, the day Israel was declared a state, you think the Jewish people had been organising to invade all their neighbours? Really?

Maybe during the holocaust they were planning in secret to invade all the Arab states in the middle east........

Of all the complete crazy stuff that has been posted on here, this is one of the craziest!

The IDF won't give the numbers of soldiers killed in Gaza. Some sources (Arab) are saying that its anywhere between 450 and 1,000. Can't be confirmed. The numbers injured are put at around 5,000 with 2,000 disabled.

https://www.newarab.com/news/5000-israeli-soldiers-wounded-gaza-war-report#:~:text=At%20least%20420%20members%20of,according%20to%20the%20Israeli%20military.

Another complete waste of life. Herbert Hoover said said '' Older men declare war. But it is the youth that must fight and die'' He was right..

stop now. You tried to paint me as a liar. Gardai regularly put people lying face down or kneeling on the ground. You said it doesn't happen, ever. I showed gardai training, putting people face down on the ground.

I know what I'm talking about.

We are finished.