Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Come off it, you were called on the the specific mention that the guards in Ireland regularly strip suspects to their underwear while they are handcuffed/restrained on the ground. The bold part is what people have an issue with and are still waiting on you to provide evidence of it of retract the statement.

My understanding is that those who were OK with living in a Jewish state took Israeli citizenship, passport etc back in '47 and their descendants are a part of Israeli society. If they're happy to be citizens of Israel, more power to them. I'm sure their views differ and I don't know any personally, but I know the man who started Nas Daily is an Israeli Arab and he seems sound.

Even though a plurality of the worlds Jews (may) now be Israeli?

the IDF won't be returning anyone anywhere.

if they invade the lebanon they will get their arses handed to them again like they did last time.

this time it will be worse as they have a lot of resources in gaza currently.

Which doesn't answer the question at all.

you believe the state of Israel, the day after it was declared, was planning on invading it's neighbours? Because that's what you claimed. Their neighbours only attacked them because they had intelligence that the brand newly formed Israeli state was going to invade them?

I would be interested to see any evidence at all about this

It is actually non-Zionist Jewish people who are warning that this relentless cheerleading for the IDF by unhinged individuals on social media is doing them no favours. I don't see a rise in Islamophobia in coming months, but it would be easy to see a rise in anti-Semitism.

There seems to be a clear attempt too by the regime and its supporters to link all Jewish people to the military action. Any Jewish person who dares criticise or question it is immediately labelled a "traitor" or "Judenrat".

lad israel got their arses handed to them last time they tried it on with hesbala in 2006.

all of the bombing and eventually a gurilla force forced them back across the border.

the ground invasion is being slaughtered in gaza as it is, their air power has a lot of resources tied up there also, they won't have the resources to be able to bomb 2 countries into oblivian at the same time.

even the US wouldn't be able to give them enough ammunition to do that without dipping into it's own stock pile which is not going to happen.

The rise is anti Zionism is certainly warranted. I don’t like to call it anti-semitism because not all Jews are zionists.

Most civilised people would think it Normal to be ‘anti’ a group committing genocide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/world/middleeast/house-anti-zionism-antisemitism.html

The IDF obviously can tell as they have dropped 20,000 smart bombs, they wouldn't be dropping them without knowing their target right?

But seriously, seeing as how the IDF haven't had a presence in the Gaza since years (was it 2005?), how would they know whose Hamas?

I'm sure it's a similar position to the US in Afghanistan with the Taliban and more recently with ISIS, but the US and allies didn't cause nearly as many civilian deaths as the IDF have.

About the bombing, had Israel being serious about bombing Gaza, there would not be much of Gaza left by now. This is not to be taken as support for Israel in any shape or form, it's just a fact presently, and is no guarantee that before they are finished, Israel may well demolish Gaza completely. They just do not care.

Had the Taliban or ISIS been confined to the same conditions as Hamas and the Palestinians are in Gaza, the killing would be the same. But the fact is they are completely different scenarios. In both Afghanistan and Syria, people could and did move from danger areas, Thats not to say that thousands of innocent civilians were not killed, because there were, but had they been in Gaza, with no escape possible, the death figures would be much higher. So, it's not like comparing like with like.

Gallant wanted to launch a pre emptive strike on Lebanon in the days after October 7th. This is the guy you said was favourite to take over in Israel. Was that factual or just wishful thinking on your part, I ask because the way you describe the war in 2006 is clearly a flight of fancy due to your pro Israel stance. If you were able to take off the blinkers for a bit you'd acknowledge the war ended in a stalemate with Israel retreating. The truth is both Israel and Hezbollah have avoided going to war since 2006. IDF personnel have admitted another war against Hezbollah would be far more difficult than the current war against Hamas.

I agree with that other than the proposition that the other Arab countries in the region care about the Palestinian Arabs. Unfortunately I've seen no evidence to suggest that those countries have anything other than contempt for the Palestinian Arabs. All I've seen is their willingness to use them as a pawn and a callous disregard for their lives and wellbeing that is as least equal to the callous disregard of the Israelis. That is the sickeningly hopeless reality they face.

The reality is that no other country in the region cares about the Palestinian Arabs and internationally there's no up side for opposing Israel.

As for "Never Again", we've had Rwanda, East Timor, West Papua (that and East Timor conducted by the Indonesian Government which is now criticising Israel and accusing them of genocide), the Ethnic Vietnamese in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge, the extermination of 150,000-200,000 Maya Indians in Guatemala in the 1980's (by the US backed Government), The Marsh Arabs in Iraq by Saddam, and of course China in Tibet and what they are doing now. Hardly a word about any of them and certainly not the same noise from the UN but they aren't that interested in the 100,000 dead Arab children in Yemen because that's another war where there's no up-side in caring about the victims.

From Israel's social media influencer. I thought you could not say things like that ?