Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

So no change there from before the war.

once again israel is not the jewish people and the jewish people are not israel.

i would advise against equating the 2 as it's a bad thing to do for obvious reasons.

I would say a lot of changes. I've seen quite a few non Zionist Jewish people trying to warn where all this is heading. Many of the loudest and most deranged cheerleaders for Israel and the IDF on social media are not Jewish and will therefore face no consequences whatsoever in their real lives, no matter how extreme or unhinged their posts become - it will be left to ordinary Jewish people to pick up the pieces.

Depending on which sources/calculations you use, its likely that a plurality of the worlds Jewish people live in Israel. Jews - Wikipedia

So yes, your stance on Israel is very much overlapping with your stance on Jews by the simple facts of mathematics. And my stance is clear: I'm with the Jews and their right to exist wherever in the world they may live, including the worlds only Jewish state where waves of Jewish refugees have had nowhere else to go.

As for what happened in 1947/1948, the original Zionist plan was to have a very small state of Israel consisting primarily of Jewish-owned or unoccupied lands such as the Negev desert, with the local Arabs being welcome to stay in the new state, have the Arabic language recognised as a working language of the State etc. What happened after that was multiple and indeed ongoing efforts at varying degrees to eliminate the State of Israel and drive the Jews into the Sea.

Thusly in my view, what drives Israeli strategic thinking is the fact that they've been surrounded by mortal enemies since their founding, and that includes Gaza which became a terrorist military base within a year of them leaving it.

So you think it's ok for people to treat all Jewish people badly because of Israeli policy? Because it reads like you're excusing people for anti semitism. Which I don't think is like you, just from reading your posts

Israeli intelligence services know exactly where Hamas active cells are, which is why they are happy to take out an apartment block and massacre a hundred civilians if they know they can confirm one legit kill. You can dress it up whatever way you want, but the Israeli government believe they're the fukn master race. They deserve nobody's sympathy, support or respect in this slaughter.

The Lebanese govt told that they have 48 hours to start negotiating on returning Hezbollah back north of the litani River or the IDF will do so.

The idea that a massive and we'll equipped force of 7th Century psychos would be allowed cast terror over the North of Israel was never going to fly.

The IDF regularly give updates and name the IDF soldiers who have died in the ground invasion on Gaza. close to 100 so far I believe.

Not sure they have an official site with the stats but: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-declares-deaths-of-5-more-troops-including-nephew-of-ex-idf-chief-eisenkot-who-also-lost-son/#:~:text=The%20IDF%20announces%20the%20deaths,Hamas%20has%20increased%20to%2097.

Some sites will have a higher figure as they include the IDF who were killed by Hamas on Oct 7th.

When I watch the continuing, unfolding, ethnic cleansing, daily, the thought that repeats in my mind is simply, does nobody in a position to actually affect this brutal regime care at all? Like nobody?

How have the moral, or ones who think themselves moral at least, nations of the world one from "Never Again" to just passively observing at best, and actively enabling at worst in little 3/4 of a century?

If Lebanon and Hezbollah start a war with Israel, the IDF will not treat Beirut with the kid gloves it has done in Gaza.

It will cease to exist as a city. As would Lebanon cease to exist as a barely functional State.

They didn't take the last time serious and were under resourced, that's not the case now. Even that little action left Lebanon on the verge of the stone age according to one of their Ministers.

Didn't answer the question. Do you think it's somehow justified the rise in antisemitism?

In the same way as racism is in the rise in Ireland, because of foreigners committing crimes?

Absolutely not. I have never been to Israel, but have met several Jewish people over the years and even had some interesting discussions with a couple of them about Israel and its relationship with Palestine and how the country is perceived in the world. Another girl I got to know online had even served in the IDF.

Ironically, I suspect quite a few of the unhinged individuals I mentioned earlier who are supporting Israel probably don't even like Jewish people or Judaism - it's just another populist cause for them and appeals to their extremist and black and white view of the world.

Nope, I doubt very much that Hamas has the full 100% support of the Palestinian population. In very much the same way that Putin does for sure not have 100% support of Russians. The big question is though, how do you tell which is which?

I'm not trying to dress anything up or down, either for Hamas or Israel. I'm not for or against either side in this conflict, believe it or not. I'm neutral if it comes down to that. What's happening there has been happening for a long time, and I don't have either an explanation or an answer. And I don't think that the 808 pages and the 24240 posts have answers or explanations either. Just discussions and that's about it. Neither am I especially impressed with any intelligence service in any Country that fails to anticipate, despite warnings of an attack of the magnitude of the Hamas attack on Israel. So Hamas mingles with the "civilian" population, Israeli intelligence tells the government /military and they bomb buildings that it believes Hamas are hiding in killing many civilians, that's a fact, horrible as it is. The question is aside from discussing it here on boards, and expressing different opinions, what can you, I or anyone else do to stop it?