Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Gallant wanted to launch a pre emptive strike on Lebanon in the days after October 7th. This is the guy you said was favourite to take over in Israel. Was that factual or just wishful thinking on your part, I ask because the way you describe the war in 2006 is clearly a flight of fancy due to your pro Israel stance. If you were able to take off the blinkers for a bit you'd acknowledge the war ended in a stalemate with Israel retreating. The truth is both Israel and Hezbollah have avoided going to war since 2006. IDF personnel have admitted another war against Hezbollah would be far more difficult than the current war against Hamas.

I agree with that other than the proposition that the other Arab countries in the region care about the Palestinian Arabs. Unfortunately I've seen no evidence to suggest that those countries have anything other than contempt for the Palestinian Arabs. All I've seen is their willingness to use them as a pawn and a callous disregard for their lives and wellbeing that is as least equal to the callous disregard of the Israelis. That is the sickeningly hopeless reality they face.

The reality is that no other country in the region cares about the Palestinian Arabs and internationally there's no up side for opposing Israel.

As for "Never Again", we've had Rwanda, East Timor, West Papua (that and East Timor conducted by the Indonesian Government which is now criticising Israel and accusing them of genocide), the Ethnic Vietnamese in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge, the extermination of 150,000-200,000 Maya Indians in Guatemala in the 1980's (by the US backed Government), The Marsh Arabs in Iraq by Saddam, and of course China in Tibet and what they are doing now. Hardly a word about any of them and certainly not the same noise from the UN but they aren't that interested in the 100,000 dead Arab children in Yemen because that's another war where there's no up-side in caring about the victims.

From Israel's social media influencer. I thought you could not say things like that ?

He is just having some fun, and defying the fash and mocking their chant all in one.

Well the "disregard" is hardly equal to the actions of the Israelis, they are not bombing them, dehousing them and starving them out after all.

I never said they care in that post, not the leaders of the countries anyway.

I think the feeling of public there for Palestinians is genuine.

Leaders of countries "caring" is not the same as further hatred engendered now by what Israel is doing potentially being useful to the wrong types of leader (and dangerous) in future.

I'd like to see Gallant take over, he is most likely to replace his arch enemy Bibi and be PM in time.

He is pragmatic but focused on goals as well.

Israel arguably got a kick in the ass in 2006, underprepared, troops not resourced properly, constrained in how to fight. It still hit Hezbollah very hard and brought Lebanon to the edge of collapse.

Now, Lebanon is verging on failed State, no senior job can be filled unless Hezbollah put one of their own in, so the country is rudderless, the economy on life support and directionless.

Hezbollah certainly are a very capable. Large and well resourced force, a real threat and fighting them will be costly and brutal for Israel.

Yet that is precisely why they must be shoved back from the border, you can't have a force that size, committed to the extermination of yids, fags and whores etc etc ready to come over the border.

You and a few others here might find that prospect tantalizing but the aforementioned are not willing to go along to be slaughtered, the turnout of women of women to fight in the IDF is at an all time record, they know what they are up against and what the likes of you would be willing to let happen to them.

Forcing Hezbollah back to a distance will probably cost thousands of Israeli lives, it will also mean that Beirut is an empty ruin, that every facet of the Lebanese state is hit, that everything related to Hezbollah is hit, that 30km from the border becomes an empty buffer zone. Lebanon will probably end as a State, not far of it anyway.

The care shown in Gaza will not be applicable due to the speed and urgency of stopping hezbollah.

What choice does Israel have if Hezbollah do not pull back. None, at all. Waiting for an attack is not peace.

Lebanons only chance to survive, regardless of Israel's needs is that they destroy Hezbollah, who are intent on completely controlling it and largely do already. The other groups in Lebanon need to join in the fight or just quit and hand over everything to Hezbollah and get it over with.

Of course, but since this thread is to do with the current Israeli ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people and the moral West doing nothing I didn't feel the need to cover every example (current and historical) to ask the question.

That the world leaders don't care or that there is no political upside to doing the right thing is the problem, not the answer.

In my opinion the current Israeli offensive is 1) not in the medium term interest of Israel, 2) is resulting in grossly excessive civilian deaths and 3) will not destroy Hamas.

For those reasons I think that Israel should cease or significantly change it's tactics.

It's hard to know what the best alternative is as they cannot leave Hamas intact as a political or military organisation but what's happening now is a disaster for all concerned.

It was public in Arab world, in Israel's neighbours in particular, I was referring to, rather than us (and other people less affected by this).

As regards the prominence of this particular conflict vs others, well of course it involves the US (as Israel's backer, and trusty shield no matter what they get up to), the Jews, the Holocaust (indirectly), a piece of land which is also very important to the big 2 religions of the world etc. etc.

There's a whole load of stuff mixed up in it making it attractive for all kinds of people who really have no stake at all in it (e.g. Evangelical Christians in the US, the far left types that view the US as the root of all evil) to "glom" onto and pay attention.

David McWilliams wrote an interesting article recently about how both sides have been very good at publicising their case in the western media and making it a mainstream talking point. The other bloody conflicts are receiving much less coverage because they have no nobody to advocate for them and the media in the West is far less invested.

That's a cheap shot. Exactly how are those against Israel's action realistically going to stop them doing this? Unless someone here is a senior representative of the US government nothing we say or do will have any effect.

I've done what I can. Donated to MSF. Telephoned the US embassy and the Israeli embassy and encouraged others to do so. Not much else I can do but if anyone comes up with a good suggestion then i'm all ears. What have you done?

Excellent suggestion. I'll check the names of products they supply.