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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Rawr


    6 weeks sounds about right. But remember, this has also been a front line position since 2014. So you could almost say they’ve been trying for 10 years at this point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The preview doesn't appear so worth posting an edited version here!

    We really have to give credit to the new Argentinian President for the seating arrangement that allowed Zelensky to finally corner and tear into obese ratf****r Orban, totally unencumbered.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It looks great and all but you can bet your bottom dollar Orbán has no shame and whatever kickbacks, incentives or blackmail exist to keep him sweet with Moscow, they ain't gonna disappear 'cos he got a good telling to by Zelensky.

    Is a striking picture though, isn't it? One a 45 year-old man clearly aged by war and privation, dressed with the pragmatism of someone constantly juggling battlefields and boardrooms; the other a corpulent toad, clearly distant from anything resembling hardship, wearing the scowl beloved of the wannabe hardman.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,921 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Putin has always lived a healthy lifestyle and probably gets healthcare and nutrition on the level of the queen. If he lives another 20 years it wouldn't surprise me.


    Let's hope not. Hopefully he dies in the next 5 to 10 years sometime. The sooner the better. I hope he even dies before this War he started in Ukraine is over and without a succeser appointed because Russia will be in disarray then and there war efforts will collapse and they will have to pull back.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭gw80


    I think I would rather the heart attack option over the cancer one,

    I would be afraid of what he would do if he was told he only 6 months to live from cancer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,237 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Out a window the best option, it's the only way to peace, everyone can blame dead Putin and get better terms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    What if they told him he had cancer, and the shock gave him a heart attack? I could live with that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,022 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Everything has a breaking point. It's inconceivable that there aren't growing widespread mutterings and discontent among families & neighbours affected. Morale whether military or public is crucial.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Perhaps, but your last sentence is the foundational concept here: if the police or military aren't part of the simmering volume of discontent, then all the mummerings at the local supermarket won't matter a jot. Russia is not a country for whom People Power ever became thing, and will only ever vacillate between different Bully Boy factions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    If Russia has infinite heavy equipment then why are the visually verified tank losses for them consist of ever larger proportion of ever older Soviet tanks?

    Source: https://twitter.com/ragnarbjartur/status/1733840069188899126



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,022 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    A decline in public morale and support is impossible to overcome with secret police. Once it seeps in, it can't be gotten rid of. Not even Russia can programme it's citizens like robots.

    Of course the same applies to Ukraine and is why Russia will try and make winter as miserable as possible again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭thomil


    That's the thing. Granted, I'm no specialist in Russian history, but from a brief look at both the 1905 revolution and the February & October revolutions in 1917, all broke out rather suddenly following periods of low-level discontent with few outward signs of trouble. I could easily see this pattern repeating itself once the general population has reached a point where they feel they have nothing less to lose.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They made more minor gains over the weekend, according to various accounts



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    Kiev in three days weeks months years decades



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I mean, Russia has stayed a functional authoritarian regime for hundreds of years now; it goes beyond secret police at this stage. I'm not sure this time is gonna be any different, not least when Putin croaks and the (inevitable) coup d'etat occurs. Tiananmen showed public discontent can be crushed easily enough with the right appliance of strength, while as I said earlier you're also dealing with a fascist state where there's also a distinct buy-in where deprivation is just how it is. Much is said about how nostalgia for the USSR informs the movements of Putin - the same could easily be said of the public too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭eire4


    Sadly your first paragraph is probably correct that it will change nothing with that wannabe dictator Orban.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,306 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The only mild saving grace is were it not for EU membership, Hungary probably would have tipped over into overt dictatorship years ago; what leash there is from Brussels, be it soft power or the threat of financial support, keeping Orbán's obvious intent vaguely in check.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    Trucker protest in Poland disbanded and dispersed traffic flowing again



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Plane safety incidents in Russia have tripled since the invasion of Ukraine because airlines can't get spare parts due to sanctions (msn.com)

    There must be a point at which the degeneration will sharply accelerate as black market and salvaged spares run out? The black market must have a much tighter limit on availability by its very nature?

    One thing's for sure, I wouldn't fancy being aboard an Aeroflot over the Atlantic en route to Havana these days...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Only at one crossing, the local mayor revoked permission sighting protesters not adhering to the writing agreement of the protest.

    I would say the rest will follow in the coming days week's.

    New incoming government doesn't support the protests.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭Field east


    We see frequent comments here on this thread that Russia has millions available to man the front lines if and when needed. BUT how true is this when you consider the following :-

    (1) the 1000s’ that have left in order to avoid conscription - and could thousands more have left if they had the opportunity. If they had overseas contacts, transport , money, etc, the number which left might have been greater. I don’t think that the same opportunity was ‘availed’ of during the Afgan war.

    (2) Social media is spreading the word as to what is happening, where , etc, and especially with regards to payment promises not being met, the meat grinder phenomenon, the drastic front line conditions, etc, etc.

    (3) The number of body bags being returned. When you consider the reaction of the number of deaths during the Afgan war I would expect a much bigger reaction from the typical Russian citizen this time around - there are many, many more deaths per day than during the Afgan war

    (4) As societies progress/ develop/ become more educated/ become more knowledgable, they are much harder to FOOL them and in general quiet often get more involved in ‘ having a say’ in influencing the direction the country is going in.

    (5) there are also reports of reluctant Ru soldiers going to / at the front lines refusing to ‘perform’ apparently because of conditions/ suppor in general and also maybe they really do not want to be there/ don’t believe in the mission

    so , to put it simply , THAT WAS THEN re the Afgan war and THIS IS NOW re the attack on UKr by Ru. So I would not be too sure that Russia have millions ready and waiting to go to the front lines



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Yeah I think the average Russian just seems to have the right cocktail of indifference and resignation that makes it highly unlikely that anything will happen. As long as Putin doesn't try and send the children of the urban elites to Ukraine he can rule as long as he wants to. His biggest short-term challenge is how to end the war and call it a victory. With the full power of the state media behind him that's not really a challenge at all.

    The only part of Ukraine that most Russians seem to actually care about is Crimea and he's extremely unlikely to lose that now. They can just mine the full length of the line of the front-lines and leave it as a frozen conflict - which is just exactly the sort of messy state that he loves to leave in other countries - an open wound that he can prod at whenever he likes.

    He killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of young Russian soldiers, showed his military to be severly less capable than everyone assumed, united and expanded NATO, turned his country into an international pariah, gained increased sanctions, further weakened Russia's position relative to China, faced a credible coup attempt, and got himself targeted by the ICC. In the cold light of day I wonder if he thinks all that was worth it for the gain of parts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. I think he would have been satisfied if he had got Kyiv and Odessa but in the end he couldn't even take Kharkiv. I do believe that history will see it as a monumental geopolitical blunder, in much the same way that the Iraq war was.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭Christy42


    This is the thing I feel people forget. Yes Russia is running out of equipment but this is not an instant win for the Ukraine. Older tanks can still kill people.


    This will be a long slog getting through the reserves of equipment and manpower for the Ukraine but if they knocked off the modern stuff it will slowly get easier over time if the western world stays the course.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    Oh they kill people alright Russians themselves

    Here is a Russian BMP where the **** Korean ammunition exploded from the inside

    take a look at daily verified destroyed equipment lists. Dozens of ever older Russian tanks and APCs worth millions being destroyed mainly by POV drones costing under a thousand each or with ultra precision artillery that Russians can only dream about



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Alexei Navalny appears to have been moved again:





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    The talking heads thinking up more reasons for war



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,205 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    With the most genuine empathy I can muster: please go seek psychiatric help. Your grip on reality has been lost.



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