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Looking for armored home entrance door

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  • 10-12-2023 11:38am
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    Registered Users Posts: 41


    Hello,

    Not sure this is considered a consumer issue but to me what I am experiencing is causing issues so thought to post under this category.

    If anyone who had a similar experience could advise or guide me to the right direction, would be much appreciated.

    I am looking to replace my old entrance door with a modern, secure and armored one. This kind of doors are commonly being used in other EU countries and you can source them for reasonable prices there too... I find it extremely difficult even to spot something similar on the Internet here in Ireland, and I am wondering maybe this kind of doors are not even being used here? 🤔

    I am not happy with the quality and the locking security the commonly used doors in Ireland offer, these are very thin doors without any steel reinforcement in between etc, which what I am after. Also, the doors I am referring to, usually have 15-20 different locking points.


    Any advise or guidance as to where should I look for this, would be much appreciated!! Thank you!!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭Drifter100


    I think you`ve answered the question yourself. Most front doors used here are standard composite doors with a multilock. Maybe 3 or 4 anchor points and locking points. Going beyond that is generally outside the contractors scope and remit. Are you particularly concerned about a concerted armed attack ? If so I would reckon the rest of the building would not be up to it and Irish construction is not blockwork throughout.


    I think you need specialist advice, certainly not a standard consumer question



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    If you can easily source one in EU, why not just get one?

    But as Drifter100 says, It would probably mean that while the door is secure, you need to do a risk assessment of the entire building. The weakest part could be where the door meets the wall.

    If I may ask, what sort of threat are you imagining?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Ask your local drug kingpin where he gets his home security equipment from.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 emerald_isle


    @LambshankRedemption Thanks for your reply :) I am not imagining nor expecting any threat or concerted armed attack as @Drifter100 suggested above 😂

    The house is a fairly new semi, we are looking to get windows replaced with triple glazed ones and we also want to replace the door with a high quality (and preferably armored one) to gain in heat and sound insulation and also make our home safer... The commonly used composite doors have few latches / anchors that are easily "bypassed" and definitely those doors don't offer much of heat / sound insulation...

    So, it is not only a matter of if someone decides to attempt to break in, but also investing my money on something that worth investing in...

    Anyways, I would like some advise in case I could source something here in Ireland, if not, I will ofcourse consider paying extra for delivery and order one from another country, just would like to avoid the hassle of ordering without having a specialist / contractor experienced with this kind of doors measuring everything etc 🤷‍♀️



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 emerald_isle


    So, is it only the drug kingpins that need secured homes in Ireland? As from what I hear no one is breaking into their houses, it's only average ppl that get their homes attacked...

    Armored doors are commonly used everywhere in EU as standard... By armored, I do not mean the huge metal doors that banks have in place where they store their vaults 😂 😂

    I mean the regular doors you will find on any average house or apartment in Spain, France, Italy, Greece etc...

    They look exactly like any other door (composite or aluminium) but they are reinforced with a layer of steel inside and have multiple locking points, usually these can be on all sides and not just on one side.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    Lederflush doors make made to order security doors for private houses, I used to work for builders yards and regularly had them delivered for private jobs. Standard security doors for the home would be models called I think it was Tilbury, 7 point locking systems with a steel frame.


    But look up leder flush if they're still operational, theres another company based in Nottingham England that do similar. Nothing to do with EU as long as the door has ISO ratings they're good. We used to supply doors with laminated glass, the display model we used to smash a 6 foot 1 inch wrecking bar of it and it barely damaged the glass.


    Front door standard size to fit, usually thats 2'9x6'9 incluing metric theres loads you can have supplied or how about a door blank made from flexi board? I only supplied the doors the bench joiners did the rest to suit including gaskets and fire ratings/glass.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 emerald_isle


    Thank you!! I really appreciate your reply. I will look them up for sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Nothing to do with EU as long as the door has ISO ratings they're good

    It's taxes and duties that are the issue with buying from the UK, not if they are certified.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,203 ✭✭✭Tow


    Relations had an armoured door on a back entrance to their shop. The robbers took out the solid block wall surrounding the door to get in.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    Can always buy similar locally or order them in with the same ratings, Carroll doors we used to supply a ton off. I know they're based or were based in the 26. Anyway I only did the goods in's and general materials the bench joiners did the specialist work making doors fire proofed rated and security robust.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,943 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I would be more concerned with security at the back of the house. What are your doors like there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,895 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Composite doors (good ones) based on thickness are more than insulated both sound and warmth than you'll need. Also the multilock is very secure. The weakest points is the quality of key lock.

    Your creating a scenario in your mind that doesn't exist in this country. There is no evidence these are less secure door.

    If someone wants access to your home they'll simple smash your triple glazing easily.

    Sorry to give the reality but that's it don't waste your time shipping some heavy metal door from the continent where they may be needed.

    Post edited by listermint on


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Munster joinery have doors which are Pas 24 security standard. From a quick look, it seems that a heap of powertools and effort is needed to break a door like that.

    It seems that thats a british standard, so Ireland being a good european has door companies using that rather than the slightly more stringent EU (i.e. German) RC3 test.

    Still, windows in Ireland can often be super flimsy with sometimes only the one latch at the handle rather than a couple on each side like you will see on modern continental windows, so even if you brick up your door, your windows may be how a thief chooses to pay you a visit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 emerald_isle


    I totally get your point and thank you all for the helpful comments!!

    I will shop around locally and see if I can find a robust door here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 45 tigerbalm_eu


    FWIW we recently replaced our apartment door with a RC4 standard secure door from https://www.securitycertifieddoors.ie/zentry-apartment-security-doors.php.

    The door was a non standard size, so was custom made for us. Consultancy, measuring, ordering, shipping and fitting the door cost a total of €2,800. The door met the stringent fire requirements used in apartment blocks – including the install – which took about five hours to fit. We kept our apartment management company involved in the process throughout and the installers provided them with all the documentation and proof of correct installation afterwards.

    The door was supplied with five sets of keys for each of the two locks.

    The door was fitted with a secure steel frame installed into the pored rebar-reenforced concrete walls that surround our apartment. All windows and balconies are overlooking the outside and are seven floors high. Meaning that the door is realistically the only way to enter the apartment and therefore provides a secure perimeter. Especially seeing as its an internal door protected with CCTV and a strong external door controlled by the apartment complex intercom system.

    While expensive, we found the company we used sincere, with a great attention to detail and they did everything on the day and time they said they would.

    The motivation for our strong door was mostly that we have an expensive car (the kind of car there is less than ten of in Ireland) parked in our underground car park – and while there is no easy way to associate the car parking place with our apartment number– this door greatly reduces the chances that someone will successfully break in to get the keys (steal to order).



  • Registered Users Posts: 318 ✭✭RurtBeynolds


    You spent 3k on a door in a 7th floor apartment so someone couldn't break in and steal your car keys? Assuming they would ever be able to pinpoint which apartment you're in.

    If your car is so desirable all they need to do is wait for an opportunity to get it by other, probably more violent, means.

    You probably should have spent 3k on krav maga lessons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 emerald_isle


    I appreciate your reply and I will definitely look this company up and try to get a quote from them.


    By the way, @RurtBeynolds, everyone has the right to do whatever they like at their home and if that door makes them feel secured then they did very well installing it, small price to have their peace of mind.


    Thanks again for the helpful comments everyone, much appreciated 🤗



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