Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

salmocab · 12-12-2023 8:03am

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This is what happens, just state that it’s because of religious persecution. Ignore the facts. It will keep happening because being a victim is easier than being in the wrong and certainly easier to peddle. We can see it happen in America with Trump were he says it’s political persecution when it’s just consequences of actions. His own actions. He doesn’t have to believe it he just has to say it.

pixelburp · 12-12-2023 8:08am

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You're entitled to your opinion but the handy thing about the Law is: everything tends to be in black and white. The sister wasn't "thrown" anywhere, she refused to leave the court having refused to back down from causing chaos during proceedings - you're trying to spin a story here.

You can peddle this conspiratorial angle if you want but the facts are there to be seen. Burke has refused to comply by any legal direction and refused to purge his contempt. This is why he's in jail ATM - and for a second time at that, having shown no ability to learn. Ignoring a court order or refusing to purge your contempt? This is what happens.

Lemme just quote Quin_Dub breakdown of the exact nature of this entire problem.

You can say muslim this and LGBTQ that but this is a legal problem exacerbated by an obstinate defendent who's trying to martyr himself and refuses to comply by the judgement of the courts

Sure we could all do that if we want; ignore the courts if we don't like the results. It's just another flavour of the "free man" kinda fluff that tries to dodge tax payment etc. this sorry case is dragging on but the facts are there.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121470824#Comment_121470824

Ezeoul · 12-12-2023 9:48am

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He's not getting loads of media attention.

Barely a mention since he was locked up again, no matter how many desperate videos the Burkes post on twitter.

Quin_Dub · 12-12-2023 11:36am

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This could of been handled early on before it got to this stage.

You are 100% correct.

Enoch COULD have chosen to use the existing , clearly laid out complaints procedure in use in the Department of Education to raise his concerns/objections about the email regarding the request from the Student to be referred to using gender neutral pronouns.

He COULD have pursued the pathway through that process and onwards to the courts (if necessary) all the way to the Supreme Court and beyond potentially.

THAT pathway would have brought a welcome clarity to all on the legal position of where the line exists between the law of the land and "freedom of Religious expression".

However I expect that the clarity it would have brought would probably not have been to Enochs liking.

So , instead of following the mature , sensible LEGAL path, Enoch chose the nuclear option and began by standing up at his employers 250th Anniversary celebrations to shout and disrupt proceedings and followed that up by chasing his boss around the room demanding to be heard.

As a result of those ACTIONS , he was suspended pending a disciplinary hearing as per the rules of his employment.

Now , I don't care what his complaint might have been - He could have been complaining about the brand of tea-bag in the staff room for all that it matters. Doing what he did, where he did it will get anyone suspended from any job anywhere.

Enoch thinks he's special and that the rules don't apply to him so he turned up at school anyway and pretended like it didn't happen and refused to leave when asked by his boss.

EVERYTHING that has happened since is because Enoch Burke is a belligerent zealot.

Nothing that has happened since has anything to do with his religious beliefs no matter how many people try to claim that it is.

It is ENTIRELY down to Enochs refusal to engage with anyone or anything like a normal functioning adult human.

scottser · 12-12-2023 11:46am

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Sorry, but literally everything you wrote there is wrong. Every single action the Burkes took was their own choice. Nobody made a show of them except themselves. It's telling that Enoch feels it's ok as an educator to single out and victimise one student, thinks he can bully and harangue his principal, scream and shout at a judge and defy court orders and injunctions.

The whole 'if he was a muslim, he'd be grand' is so obtuse and wrong it's not even worthy of reply, except to say that nobody is above the law. For a family with extensive legal training, they haven't quite grasped that yet.

mikethecop · 12-12-2023 1:17pm

you know we really are f' ed when you have people on here actually defending this deranged ass and his cultish and confusingly intimate family

they are the very definition of the fringe lunatics that abound in religions world wide. worthy of a half a column of ink in a local paper and rightfully laughed at until they seek treatment for their ills .

to offer them support is to encourage their delusions.

Former Former Former · 12-12-2023 2:00pm

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They wanted to make an example out of him and his family.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Why should we not make an example of persistent and unrepentant law breakers?

LambshankRedemption · 12-12-2023 2:04pm

Tell Tiny Tim, Enoch won't be home for Christmas this year.

SharkMX · 12-12-2023 2:32pm

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He is taking up a place in prison by his own choice. He could leave tomorrow if he wanted to. Probably waiting til he loses his virginity.

Ezeoul · 12-12-2023 2:32pm

Update - as expected...

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/1212/1421558-enoch-burke/

Text:

Secondary school teacher Enoch Burke will remain in prison for Christmas after refusing to give an undertaking to comply with a High Court order to stay away from the school where he used to work.

Mr Burke was jailed for the second time on 9 September for breaching a High Court injunction directing him to stay away from Wilson's Hospital School in Co Westmeath.

The matter was brought back before the court this morning to see if Mr Burke was willing to purge his contempt by giving an undertaking that he would obey the order.

Lawyers for the school told the court that if Mr Burke refused to purge his contempt, they would be asking with "great reluctance" that he remain in prison.

Mr Justice Mark Sanfey rose from the bench five times due to interruptions from members of Mr Burke’s family - his mother Martina, sister Ammi, father Sean and brother Isaac - as well as Mr Burke’s refusal to stop making submissions which the judge said had nothing to do with the sole issue before the court.

Mr Burke’s submissions focused in particular on the appointment of former Attorney General Maire Whelan to the Court of Appeal, where she later ruled on his case.

The family members repeated on a number of occasion that her appointment, in 2017, "stinks to high heaven".

The judge said it was very clear Mr Burke was not prepared to purge his contempt and he saw no reason to interfere with the order that he be brought to Mountjoy.

Mr Justice Sanfey said Mr Burke was to remain in prison until he purged his contempt and he would review the matter again on 27 February.

However, he said he wanted to make it clear that Mr Burke could come to court at any time to give an undertaking that he was prepared to abide by the order.

The judge said it was regrettable that he had to rise on a number of occasions to maintain basic order in the court and that the assistance of gardaí was needed.

He said the tag team nature of the interruptions showed they had been done in an orchestrated way to cause maximum disruption.

He said that would not be tolerated, in the same way the flouting of a court order would not be tolerated.

Usual shenanigans by Burke and his family members.

tayto lover · 12-12-2023 2:34pm

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He might be as mad as a bag of monkeys but he is fairly sticking to his principles.

Mr Disco · 12-12-2023 2:35pm

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Ammi as stylish as ever. Good to see

pixelburp · 12-12-2023 2:42pm

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Presumably now that there has been a degree of international exposure, latched onto by Bad Faith, "anti woke" screechers he has found a boost of confidence via his inbox. Any chance he or the family might see sense is gonna quickly evaporate by idiots on the internet cheering them on.

Wonder what odds now Elon Musk latches onto this: he already proferred his "opinion" on the Scrotes that tore up O'Connell as supposed white fury; wouldn't put it past him to suddenly champion Burke as another victim of our "woke" government.

Quin_Dub · 12-12-2023 2:44pm

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But in behaving as he does he ensures that his "principles" are never actually discussed or addressed.

Absolutely NOTHING that has happened has anything to do with his "principles" it's all about his inability to acknowledge the existence of the courts and his employers disciplinary process.

His Principles would have been infinitely better served had he actually followed the formal complaints/dispute process available to him.

Astartes · 12-12-2023 2:45pm

Just stand him up against a wall with a blindfold and a cigarette at this stage. The lad is not for turning.

Vicxas · 12-12-2023 2:48pm

Why doesnt the judge bar the family from the court. suppose thats not allowed?

lmao10 · 12-12-2023 2:49pm

Anyone with law expertise have any input on the likely series of events here? Taking into account the Burkes are going to continue as is.

Astartes · 12-12-2023 2:51pm

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They will have to jail/disappear them.

Ezeoul · 12-12-2023 2:53pm

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Elon Musk can fcuk off.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 12-12-2023 3:12pm

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He could easily do that from outside a jail cell

Boggles · 12-12-2023 3:17pm

Surely the option of criminal contempt has to be considered at stage and applied.

The money and resources this cult is sucking out of all of us to gain attention needs to end.

Spanish Eyes · 12-12-2023 3:25pm

Regarding the appalling disruption of the court proceedings by the Burke family members, it would appear that Contempt of Court exists, but is not yet enshrined in legislation here. IANAL so maybe someone with legal expertise could clarify.

Contempt of court (lawsociety.ie)

walshb · 12-12-2023 3:27pm

Our justice system is farcical, and the Burkes are showing this.

Quin_Dub · 12-12-2023 4:03pm

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I think that has to be the next step.

I think they will find a pathway to converting this to a fixed term imprisonment.

nolivesmatter · 12-12-2023 4:05pm

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His mentality almost gives me a headache. Does he think his stubbornness will eventually overpower the laws? He's literally achieving nothing and only spiting himself. This can go on for the rest of his life if he wants to keep it up.