Lidl: 10c for used bottles and cans [Expired]

Why do you think you will only get 2 quid back.

Any restriction on returns is likely only to be in very small premesis and will be a lot bigger than that.

Anyone with a Reverse Vending Machine will be looking to get the bottles and cans in, because they get a handling fee on every one of them.

The €2 limit is on Lidl's trial only

Lidl's trial is giving lots of people incredibly wrong ideas of how this will work - I've seen someone else complaining that you'll only get 10c back on a 15c deposit, due to Lid's trial giving 10c.

Lidls trial is not connected to the national system. It will be replaced by the national system with the full deposit refunded and no limit.

The system isn't going to make money for the government. The Lidl trial system costs Lidl money as there are no deposits at all.

I mean that's kind of the point of the system, its so much hassle to you and the extra cost that you reduce your plastic usage.

Most households already have glass to be recycled, jars etc. Adding additional bottles isn't as inconvenient as managing a bag of cans with this new inconvenient system. At least for me.

Or alternatively I could buy in to this system and not bother with bringing my bottles to the bottle bank any more. Meaning minimal increase in inconvenience.

I just read from the re-turn website that plastic bottles containing dairy products can't be put into these machines. This accounts for the vast majority of plastic bottles most households buy does it not?

I don't buy any dairy products in plastic bottles.

I'd say soft drinks make up vastly vastly more of the volume of plastic bottles going around

PROTEST:. Lets all send 2/3 plastic bottles to Eamon Ryan's Office. I suggest next week with a note saying Happy Christmas Eamon.

Fair enough but most of the households in the country would have at least one 2L or 3L bottle of milk or a yoghurt drink in their weekly shopping trolley

Plenty of people who buy milk never buy jug milk. Tastes disgusting, UV damages milk and the packaging is insufficiently UV opaque.

Tetra took over from reusable milk bottles for that reason, not cost!

I believe I recall Denis Naughten, in his capacity as environment minister, a few years ago saying it would increase the price we pay our private waste collectors as they would be collecting fewer bottles and therefore making less money on our recycling.

It seems strange that they don't want the milk bottles back because of the smell but the beer cans with Guinness dregs are ok to bring back. Take a whiff off them after a few days is like smelling salts

You might be right... Maybe when finished with plastic drinks bottles we should wash them with milk before returning them. See is it still about recycling then haha!

Incorrect - if that was the case the Cork 3 would be a valid 'postcode' - it's just plain 'we are Dublin so we are different than everyone else' - if it's Dublin 22 then the eircode is D22 - it's not rocket science.

It's farmed out - last week I had to contact Comreg - the Commision for Communications Regulation to tell them that (0)18049668 is NOT their telephone number and that it should read (01)8049668

but again it's the 'inside the M50' concept - the rest of us outside the M50 did not get Eircodes that follow Town/City names.

Definitely not a bargain alert any more. All this is going to cost companies a lot of money and all that will get passed on to us, the customer.

My local Lidl and many more I've seen have had the builders in for the last few months retrofitting for this scheme. In our case the trolley bay has been converted to 'inside' the building for a room for it and the whole shop entrance redone. That ain't cheap.

A recent news story quotes Tesco as spending €200,000 for a machine in ONE store, multiply that across all the shops.

Suppliers and shops now have massive new amounts of admin because the deposits have to be invoiced and paid separately to the goods.

All in all it's going to be millions that will be passed back onto the customers through higher prices.

And those of us who actually do use the green bin correctly will be further penalised as it's an almost certainty that waste collectors will up their recycling bin prices to compensate for the loss of aluminum can sales to them, one of the few items which was of value to them.

"It’s quite a bigger plan than we had anticipated," said Darrin Honer, country operations manager at Tesco Ireland. "Every single store in the country has to be retrofitted, to fit in the machine. This investment for this particular store is over €200,000," he said. "To multiply that out, it’s quite a huge investment."

'The country’s drinks producers also need to sign up to the scheme - and track every single can or plastic bottle they ship.

That’s resulting in a significant amount of new administration - especially for smaller producers.

"We have to split into invoices, we have to put the deposits on the invoices separately from the cans, we have to make a return to the scheme operators in terms of how many cans have gone out," said David Walsh-Kemmis, founder and managing director at Ballykilcavan Brewing Company in Co Laois.

"I have to say we’re in favour of the scheme - we want to see as much aluminium being recycled as possible - but for a small brewery for us it really does create a significant administrative and cashflow problem."'

I have used the Lidl trial return machine in the Glenageary store many times. It's a convenient way to get rid of plastic bottles and aluminium cans, and in return, get up to €2 back in a voucher.

I am aware that it's an advance trial. However, as it is set up, its not without its downsides and glitches;

The machines seem quite tempremental, and frequently are out of order. If you bring bottles from car and the machine is out of order, you have to either dump them in the ordinary bin, or return them to your car before going shopping.

Cans and bottles have to be perfect/ almost 100% original shape to be picked up by machines. If dented or crushed, no chance. The first time I used the system I crushed all my cans before heading to the store ..... it's something you will only do once!

Perfect bottles and cans may be rejected, only to be accepted on the other machine, or after multiple attempts. This can be be very frustrating.

In Germany the deposit is on reusable plastic bottles which are very difficult to crush. Here, some mineral water bottles are almost impossible to keep perfect once empty.

Some plastic bottles, with barcodes, and purchased in lidl are not accepted. Eg deluxe Orange juice, other juices in PET bottles. I am unsure if the deposit will apply to these. If it does, the machines have to start accepting them.

If this system works on barcoded product only going forward, what about multipacks of cans which sometimes don't have barcodes and are sometime accepted and sometimes not?

Hopefully these issues are ironed out before Feb. Otherwise I see people saying the scheme is unworkable and just a way to charge more for plastic and aluminium packaged products.

Cork did have postal districts but they had a fraction of the use of the Dublin ones

Fair point, though I think they were never used by the public, I should have known someone would remember these!

They do not. The scheme does. The retailer gets paid when the bottles come in. Once they are participating, They are the most financially incentivised for the scheme to work.

Its all about the money 😊

It is just beverage cans and plastic drinks bottles.

Starts 1st February I think.

https://www.bonkers.ie/blog/personal-finance/here-s-everything-you-need-to-know-about-ireland-s-new-deposit-return-scheme/#:~:text=The%20new%20scheme%20will%20come,the%20new%20deposit%20return%20scheme.

Now that it has moved on from the LIDL trial to the full roll out, there's more discussion happening here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058316674/deposit-return-scheme-recycling

Multi pack cans should be barcoded too - they'll also jump in price (with the deposit charged for each can)

Will it be a separate barcode or something? Because currently they arent barcoded.

No glass.

Drinks cans ony in metal

and PET plastic (non dairy) drinks bottles between 150ml and 3L

No ketchup bottles no meds. This is booze and soft drinks.

I wonder if you could scan and print the label / barcode and put on older bottles cans that might be lying around?

You probably could.

Are you planning on stocking up on bottles/cans between now and Feb 1..😀