Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Yes, but if they've left state accommodation and have to pay for their own, all of a sudden the €220 a week is far less attractive - you'd find it very tricky trying to rent a flat on that money.

So nothing really changes after the 3 months are up? They are still entitled to ARP accommodation, and back to full social welfare. The only change is that the state won’t provide them with accommodation, but the state will still be paying for their accommodation, only difference is they’ll have to source it themselves.

Deirdre Garvey (sec gen of the Irish red cross) was on the radio earlier grifting - She has been grifting her brains out and has been indulged by the media all year. When she was on with Pat Kenny a good few months back she started faffing about, evading/avoiding Pat's question when he asked - 'But why Ireland, we're on the edge of Europe...why here?' - A few weeks after RU invaded UKR I donated to the IRC, and following that interview with PK, I decided I'd never donate again to the IRC or any other of these grifters. Garvey, on the off-chance you're reading this, great job - way to go alienating the Irish public

Then to roll back to a few nights ago, there was a 'follow the money conversation' - @ShamNNspace played a blinder highlighting the connection between the chair of UNICEF Ire and Tetrarch (owners of hotels that are making a fortune hosting IPAs (Citywest)

There seems to be an approx 50% profit margin for the suppliers of IPA accommodation which would mean that Tetrarch's (Citywest hotel) margin of that reported €34m would be around the €17m mark profit

Here's a great idea Mr Connolly - Take that 17m profit from Tetrarch and flip it over to Unicef to help the children - That way, Unicef would not need to solicit donations from the public with their heartbreaking adverts (which no doubt are paid for from donated funds and are at 'top rate airtime', thus enriching RTE and other media outlets)

You're absolutely welcome for that idea, I'm always glad to help 

For those that may have missed the conversation, it kicks off on page 119 - kudos to @Geuze for breaking down the financials

It almost feels like purposeful discrimination against our own tax paying citizens.

If it wasn’t so tragically immoral it’d be hilarious.

Are we ruining the long-term future of other countries.

When this war ends in Ukraine, the country will need to be rebuilt.

Are people living here getting triple the average salary in benefits going to go back to Ukraine.

Are the men fighting going to join their families here or stay in Ukraine.

I would imagine they will come here with PTSD into a country with a pretty much non existent mental health service.

When people say we need skilled construction workers, are we not making things worse in countries who need these workers.

When people say we need healthcare staff, are we not making things worse in countries who need those workers.

Do the people who advocate for bringing in these workers care that in doing so that we are making things worse in other countries.

Would it not make more sense to give aid to these countries to develop than to take their resources and make their countries worse?

On booking.com, 8627 hotel rooms, apartments, villas, etc.. available in Ukraine for a random week in December.

I can't get over that we the tax payer are going to pay €2.5B in 2024 to house "Ukrainians".

Where does the government think this money comes from? We have the largest national debt in the EU, why are we doing this?????

Well, welcome to the real world then. We have adult children back living at home, Irish citizens (& voters) but can't afford rentals in Dublin etc. And part of the reason the accommodation we could easily find at their age is dried up, is the large influx of people into our state. Whether on work permits, refugees or 'asylum' seekers.

Who exactly does this state have a duty of care to?? It's own citizens should surely come first.

I'll probably be labelled a far right campaigner for daring to suggest that, but the ducks are going to come home to roost next election.

I suspect the vote will go to anyone but the present incumbents. SF would want to wake up too.

I have no issue with people coming to this country who will add value and intend to work and pay their taxes - those who will accept our way of life and integrate. Hell, I would far prefer them to some of the scrotes that were born here.

I don't have an issue with accepting refugees as long as we do it in a measured manner that aligns with the infrastructure and our capabilities. Where I have a major issue is with immigrants turning up without a passport or any form of identity. I also have an issue with refugees coming here via another country as if we are some kind of hot destination.

We were not an imperialist empire that invaded and annexed other countries so we don't have that self-inflicted cross to bear. I personally think we should do our part because as a nation, we have emigrated all over the world so it's a bit hypocritical to complain about immigrants coming here. However, we shouldn't make it attractive and offer more than most other places. It shouldn't be open season and we should have very strict control measures. If you turn up in Australia, USA, and so forth with no passport or ID... bye-bye. If you have a criminal record... bye-bye. If you don't have the means to support yourself and are not a refugee... bye-bye. If you are a refugee you need to prove it, not just turn up and claim that you are.

All of the above is implementable... whether the government does it or not is another matter.

Former stockbroker Joan Garahy and former director of Kerry Group and Head of their remuneration committee is on the board of Unicef Ireland? Tear it down please - add a sprinkling of gaa and rugby legends to look cool with the kids

I concur. While I don't think it's one particular sinister faction driving this, rather it's a sort of loosely aligned cartel of powerful interests. If you ven diagram it out, there is a clear overlap where supplanting national interests with supra-national ones, is the primary driver.

The EU sees individual national interests as a threat to the bloc.

Large multinational companies don't want the burden of navigating separate and distinct national bureaucracies, regulations and tax.

The new WHO treaty is the same.

The Green Agenda is the same.

NATO and the MIC is the same, tie everyone into their bureaucracy so we can all jump to the US's hegemonic interests without protest.

Now there's a "Censorship Industrial Complex" that's really just finding it's feet and Ireland will play a major role as we are gatekeepers for data protection and social media for the EU.

That can't be right as iv seen posts on here saying nowhere in Ukraine is safe so we can't provide aid to relocate them in Ukraine and they need to stay here.

Maybe the far right have bought out booking.com to spread this lie?

Agree largely but it should be noted whilst we didn't control an imperialist empire we did participate in one - plenty Irish got jobs in the British colonies in admin roles. We also set about converting the heathens in Nigeria and making them good Catholics with names like Assumpta & Kevin etc.

But that was then and this is now. We should do our bit but not an inch more. And to hell with those making careers and getting wealth on the back of recent surge.

The argument that really boils my piss is that we’d have no health system or big IT companies running without immigrants , that our country would somehow shut down .

Nobody , absolutely nobody , even the tiny tiny minority of actual far right campaigners in this country are complaining about the brilliant doctors , nurses etc that are doing amazing work here and adding hugely to the country .

The next absolute liar in the media that throws out that type of line to try to conflate the 2 issues should be called out straight away and told to shut up with that bullshit.

The problem is the wasters , economic migrants , criminals who rip up their passports and the nation hoppers who are here to bleed us dry .