Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Palestinians have been saying it for weeks because its been happening for months. Now Israel is literally telling you its bombing is indiscriminate. They aren't hiding their aim of obliterating Gaza and the people within it. They haven't hid it since the start.

You engaged with me because you objected to me saying that the trope you used that conflates Jews worldwide with Israel is an anti-Semitic one.

Since then you've been performing ever more spectacular mental gymnastics to weasel out of the fact you used an anti-Semitic trope, usually repeating the trope in the process.

With "friends" like you, Jews hardly need enemies.

There were Catholic judges in Northern Ireland too. What's your point?

South Africa even picked the odd coloured player for the Springboks in the apartheid era.

What Israel is is actually far worse than what apartheid South Africa was. At least apartheid South Africa didn't pen 2.3 million people into a strip of land less than half the size of Louth and then bomb them into oblivion.

What Israel is doing is comparable to what the Nazis did to the Jewish ghettoes in Europe.

For the last seventeen years, Gaza has been a hyperdensely populated, impoverished, walled-in compound where only a small fraction of the population had the right to leave for even a short amount of time—in other words, a ghetto. Not like the Jewish ghetto in Venice or an inner-city ghetto in America but like a Jewish ghetto in an Eastern European country occupied by Nazi Germany. In the two months since Hamas attacked Israel, all Gazans have suffered from the barely interrupted onslaught of Israeli forces. Thousands have died. On average, a child is killed in Gaza every ten minutes. Israeli bombs have struck hospitals, maternity wards, and ambulances. Eight out of ten Gazans are now homeless, moving from one place to another, never able to get to safety.

The term “open-air prison” seems to have been coined in 2010 by David Cameron, the British Foreign Secretary who was then Prime Minister. Many human-rights organizations that document conditions in Gaza have adopted the description. But as in the Jewish ghettoes of Occupied Europe, there are no prison guards—Gaza is policed not by the occupiers but by a local force. Presumably, the more fitting term “ghetto” would have drawn fire for comparing the predicament of besieged Gazans to that of ghettoized Jews. It also would have given us the language to describe what is happening in Gaza now. The ghetto is being liquidated.

Netanyahu in 2014. Why does the US give unconditional military aid to a country which opposes the US's stated policy on the region?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-finally-speaks-his-mind/#ixzz392DqMJCW

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He made explicitly clear that he could never, ever, countenance a fully sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank. He indicated that he sees Israel standing almost alone on the frontlines against vicious Islamic radicalism, while the rest of the as-yet free world does its best not to notice the march of extremism. And he more than intimated that he considers the current American, John Kerry-led diplomatic team to be, let’s be polite, naive.

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Netanyahu has stressed often in the past that he doesn’t want Israel to become a binational state — implying that he favors some kind of accommodation with and separation from the Palestinians. But on Friday he made explicit that this could not extend to full Palestinian sovereignty. Why? Because, given the march of Islamic extremism across the Middle East, he said, Israel simply cannot afford to give up control over the territory immediately to its east, including the eastern border — that is, the border between Israel and Jordan, and the West Bank and Jordan.

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The priority right now, Netanyahu stressed, was to “take care of Hamas.” But the wider lesson of the current escalation was that Israel had to ensure that “we don’t get another Gaza in Judea and Samaria.” Amid the current conflict, he elaborated, “I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.”

The amount of killings by Israel in Gaza just since October 7th is well on course to exceed the total amount of deaths from political violence in South Africa between 1948 and 1994 (21,000) if indeed it has not already exceeded it.

Apartheid was evil. But even that horrific regime never did what Israel is doing now.

Masha Gessen who lost relatives in the Holocaust has compared it. I've linked to her writing on this page. The hatred, the dehumanisation, the actual treatment of those penned into the ghettoes are very comparable.

As if to prove Gessen's point about the chilling climate of suppression of freedom of speech in Germany now as regards talking about Israel's crimes, she has had her Hannah Arendt prize for political thought revoked just today because of her essay in the New Yorker.

The Nazis saw the Jews as a "threat" for the same reason the far right in this country see immigrants and non-white people as a threat - ie. no good reason at all. Because they were irredeemably racist and fascist and because fascists require an out group to mendaciously paint as a criminal threat through lying propaganda in order to focus all energy of "the glorious nation" towards this fake threat.

Did the Palestinians have good reason to see the Jews migrating to Palestine before and after World War II as a threat? Bloody sure they had, and history quickly proved it - because those migrating Jews who would become Israelis murdered them, threw them off their land, made them prisoners and refugees, scattered them to the four winds, and treated them like animals, as sub humans. And this has never let up since 1946.