Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Firstly the EU was founded by federalists that had lived through WWII, even WWI, and wanted to make sure Europe never suffered the same fate again.

That is laudable, but they and their sucessors also have had an arrogant superiority in there to boot which felt that the people of Europe couldn't be trusted to not elect dictators at some point in the future and that basically open democracy should not be allowed to prevent this vista occurring again.

The EEC that Ireland joined changed considerably into what is today's EU.

The aim has been to create a federal Europe governed centrally, to limit the rights of nation states and as Sutherland let slip to remove the nationalistic tendencies by diluting the native populations.

So in my opinion much like how the Irish state reached it's zenith in the late 90s or turn of the century, so with the EU.

It is no coincidence that the Nice Treaty was being implemented and voted on by Ireland in 2001.

Remember how the EU constitution Treaty was abandoned after being kicked to the kerb by both French and Dutch electorate only to morph into the Lisbon treaty.

This treaty was never put to the same electorates and the only ones that had that privilege were forced to vote again until they gave the "right" result.

But it's isn't just EU, the world is now run by massive multinationals not nation states anymore.

You talk about the US, the US is now run by mega rich individuals controlling massive multinationals a lot of whom are based in this country.

Even in the US, the current gulf between normal people and the ones controlling the wealth and capital (and by extension the real levers of power) dwarfs even that of the infamous time of the robber barons.

But this is the modern world where we are now all meant to be grist to the mill of globalisation.

And when that globalisation and encouraged consumerism is seen as destroying the planet, the answer is not to cut it and go back to the days when products were sourced locally and built for duarability.

** Oh no it is to add another layer of requirements (taxes, soon to be mandatory supposedly good for the environment products like electric cars, etc) on top of ordinary people that they must pay for out of ever decreasing incomes.

The great globalised consumer spending that feeds the multinationals often barely taxed cash reserves must not be endangered.

More and more control is being handed to fewer and fewer people that sit atop this ponzi pyramid.

Modern capitalism is ultimately a ponzi scheme that continues to require more and more new entrants.

Fooking hell the more I think about it the more it sounds conspiracy theory stuff, but just look where we are, how we have gotten here and how dystopian the future looks.

Excellent post which captures the fundamental drivers of globalisation.

Unrestrained capitalism - essentially greed- was always destined to arrive at the point where fewer and fewer people controlled greater and greater resources.

We are heading for feudalism, but on a global scale.

The problem is we are using terms that now have little to no relation to the meaning they once had.

For instance the modern so called left are so far removed from older leftists.

Britain's labour party of the 1960s were anti immigration as they saw it as competing against the interests of their supporters, voters and members.

In today's parlance they would seen as quiet fascist by the modern left.

The old left was concerned with working class people, unions, employment rights of workers, social ideals like affordable housing and healthcare for workers.

Yes the old left also cared to some degree about discrimination, equality between men and women and in later years turned to women's rights, gay rights, etc.

But a lot of the ones pushing those ideals were often the educated left, the ones who had gone to university, the ones who had often come from more affluent backgrounds.

These could often be disparagingly referred to as the champagne socialists.

The real socialists were often more worried about keeping a roof over their head and food in their bellies than these more lofty ideals.

The modern left now almost seems to be soley made up of this champagne socialist cohort and is solely concerned with identity politics, who can be called what, rights for imported minorities more often than not in preference to the old grassroots of the left, an adoption of the rights of foreigners in preference to ones own, anti borders, pro multiculturalism, controls on free speech, McCarthyist type removal of people who disagree with their narrative, anti christian with a huge guilt complex for the historic ills carried out often by the ancestors of people from totally different countries.

And the modern left actually, as said above by growleaves, are doing the bidding of modern ultra capitalists which is a total reversal of the former left.

And this same modern left now refer to anyone that doesn't agree with them as far right.

So the far right term has lost all meaning due to the modern left and it's associated media apparatchiks as it now encompasses everyone from Hitler and Mussolini to Jordan Peterson, Graham Linehan, JK Rowling, John McGuirk and a the lad down the pub who thinks we have too many asylum seekers.

RTE sent a reporter down to Killarney for the Drivetime programme about the opposition to more migrants being brought into the town.

Best part of it was a woman who obviously wasn't Irish saying we just have to suck it up and take in everyone who shows up because the Irish people went to other countries in the past.

Of course the spineless RTE guy hadn't the stones to mention anything to her about the couple of thousand already here who arrived with no documents.

This is the third day in a row that programme has sent a reporter to various locations around the country where there are migrants being sent into those areas, and its always the same narrative about how they are all salt of the earth lads with nothing to hide.

The cynic in me thinks that station is trying to push an agenda because the Government is getting serious pushback on the way they are handling the immigration question.

Would love to see a government cut RTE down to size, then re-furbish half that RTE complex to house refugees. Would be a grand spot for it too.

The Government won't do that, instead they will bail it out with more of our taxes and RTE will act as their spin doctors.

Always remember that in the last 12 months, a huge total of 6 refugees have been housed in Dublin 4, the location of rte.

4 of them probably went back to their country of origin. Couldn’t stand the people up there, would rather take their chances in Georgia.

Wait till all these all these Gazan lads turn up with crippling PTSD. Wonder will Rodders have a tent city constructed in anticipation for them.

That’s the best you can do?

“RTE/Virgin Media/Irish Times etc are all biased, but look over here at this tiny right wing paper no one cares about!!”

Great post, one thing or two I would add to it though is there are alot of foot soldiers in the modern left who would high five themselves all round if 500,000 migrants descended into Ireland in the morning if only to serve one purpose - to piss off those who they see as their political opponents.

These same foot soldiers will happily tell you that the Dail is male, pale and stale. They harbour a strong disgust for the White man, and in any other scenario it would be called out as clear as day racism. The following comes to mind when describing what the foot soldiers do - "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty."

I'm not the one claiming the Irish media has a "playbook" when it comes to immigration (people don't seem to accept that the media here is largely in step with its own readers and viewers.....why would they need to brainwash a country that is largely not right wing or conservative?).

Succinct examination of the current situation. Glad you’re finally starting to get it!

The purpose of media, outside of Rte, is to make money. The reality is there isn't a huge market for right wing media organisations in Ireland, like there isn't much demand for ring wing political parties.