Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Did the Israeli ambassador go off message with her categorical dismissal of the two state solution? Some people think she may have lost her temper and blurted out something she wasn't supposed to say to a western audience (even though it is her actual opinion and that of the Israeli government).

I should know better than engaging with people who spend as long as they do on this thread and post the above, but given you asked me to correct you if you are wrong, let me do so.

It doesn't surprise me to see you refer to Boyd Barret as an antisemite, such an accusation unfortunately carries little weight any longer given how it has been abused by apologists for Israels butchery. It is part of the two pronged approach in an attempt to shut down any criticism of Israel, the other prong being the accusation of holocaust denial...

And you can attempt to dismiss my content as being binary when the reality is that I am one of the few posters to go to the effort of proposing actions for all parties to take steps towards peace and I have condemned the attacks of Hamas consistently, and repeatedly over the last weeks. I don't disappear from the thread when asked to recognize people held illegally on both sides as hostages, in the way some people do.

Here, in this instance, you are complaining because I am commenting on the literal words of a Minister of the Israeli Government and pointing out that despite such clear cut evidence, it is still claimed that they are not carrying out a genocide, or have no intent to do so.

When it comes to being compared to people who have been members of Dail Eireann, I'd be much happier being seen as a Boyd Barret, than an Alan Shatter. Calling for the safety of millions of people should not be so offensive to people in the way it appears to be.

"James Craig said it. He was the Prime Minister of Northern Ireland."

It seems that your views on the history of Ireland are as well informed as your views on the history of Israel.

James Craig never said that.

Just like Wellington never said anything about being born in a stable and Jack Lynch never said anything about standing idly bye. Oh, and Humphrey Bogart did said ‘Play it again Sam!’ in Casablanca.

In the context of then Free State politicians remarking that the Free State was a Catholic country for Catholics, Craig is recorded as saying that southerners had boasted and ‘. . . still boast of Southern Ireland being a Catholic State. All I boast of is that we are a Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State.’ 

That's the thing. It's pretty much uninhabitable. All infrastructure is gone. Housing is destroyed. It will be a tent city of 2.5 million people by the time Israel is finished. At which point I'm assuming the Israeli's will prevent building materials and other stuff from going through. They might allow some food and then claim that they're the good guys.

There's the assumption that they want to make it so unlivable that people will just leave.

Does the Israeli ambassador to the UK now set Israeli policy?

Indiscriminate bombing of Gaza confirmed. I wonder what they used for all the mosques, hospitals and refugee camps ?

Yes I'm absolutely sure that what happens now in Gaza is not a genocide and it's nonsense to claim that it is or to compare it with actual genocides.

There was a US Intelligence reports about the number of unguided munitions used in Gaza. When asked about this the IDF said we don't comment on such matters. What's going on might not meet the definition of genocide but what it does show is a reckless disregard for civilians. Yet we have posters claiming the IDF are doing their best to spare civilians, that if they really wanted to they could kill far more.

Just because 'unguided' munitions are used does not necessarily make it indiscriminate. There's no real anti aircraft defences, IDF aircraft can get in close to targets to hit them. They don't need to launch from outside AA range which would need guided munitions.

Ambassadors rarely stray from the government position, when they do they are replaced. She's still in her position.

Let's not forget the ruling parties founding charter contains a variation of from the river to the sea (that's a call for genocide right?). It's obvious to many that this current Israeli government want Gaza and the west bank to be free from Palestinians. It's not all talk, they are in the process of that in Gaza and the West Bank. In order to remove the 2 state solution... You need to remove one of those 2 states from the map.

I doubt you would make the same excuse for other nations using so many dumb bombs in built up areas. It would seem Biden and the US Administration would also disagree, that the IDF have been reckless given their recent statements about the high number of civilian casualties. Which could have been informed by this intelligence briefing.

Also its telling the IDF refused to comment on the matter.

Unguided munitions doesn't just mean 'bombs' does it? Are you saying the highly trained IDF is incapable of hitting a designated target at close range using unguided munitions when unopposed by AA defences?

It is telling in your response, you don't engage with the point made but first off you have whataboutery, and then shifting of the goalposts.

No, they are representatives of the State in their host State. If their home State is an absolute monarchy, like many in the Middle East, then your argument kind of holds but if they represent a democracy then it doesn't and Israel is still a democracy for the moment at least, though if the religious crazies get their way then it will be a very hollow one.