Moon landing hoax

The only answer is that there's a giant conspiracy to convince everyone that the Earth is flat.

But believers don't want to state this because they know it makes them sound ridiculous and it shatters the "just asking questions" illusion.

The video starts off with Elon Musk correctly stating that in 1969 we took people to the moon, which contradicts the conspiracy in this thread.

The video then cuts to Neil Degrasse Tyson confirming we went to the moon, which again contradicts the conspiracy. He states that many people have been in low earth orbit (to space stations), which is true, however only the astronauts have left it go to a planetary destination (the moon), which is true

A clip talks about NASA administration allegedly losing tech. Okay, half a mil is a relatively small amount out of a program that costs 10s of billions, stuff like this is common in large government agencies/corporations. A strange little cheapshot there.

Next clip is a guy saying he'd go to the moon in a nanosecond, but that we don't have the technology to do that anymore. He's correct. We shut down the moon landing program, and we'd have to fire it up again to go back (which is currently happening with Artemis). Same with Concorde. We used to have supersonic passenger flight across the Atlantic, we don't anymore, we'd have to fire the program up and redevelop everything.

The rest of it is just cherry-picked and selective quotes deliberately chopped up and taken out of context to make it sound like these people are saying something else. Real bottom of the barrel stuff.

It's a dishonest grifter video, clumsily designed to get people to doubt space travel.

Exactly.

Relationships between the US and the USSR were at an all time low in the 60s.

Do you really think the Russians wouldn't have cried 'fake' if they had the proof the Americans didn't actually go to the moon.

The argument would be "It's CGI". And that would be the end of the argument and the details given.

Theorists only vaguely hand wave at explanations like this. There's no thought about the actual logistics of how such a thing would be accomplished. No thought about the implications of those logistics.

For example, if someone were to argue that those images were just produced by CGI it leads to many more questions.

Who made the CGI image? Where? When? Are they involved in the conspiracy? Do they produce these images every day? How much are they paid for this?

Theorists can't provide any details because their explanation has no explanative power. It's no better than them just saying "It's magic."

The funny thing is that a lot of them declare that they don't believe the official (real) story because it can't explain some issue they think they've found.

Maybe they are on to something.

According to my car sat nav, it is flat!!

Nice video of Apollo 11 launch. 30 seconds of real time recorded at 500 frames per minute second through a quartz window.

Another fake news story, with hundreds of more people involved. Since satellites don't exist, this is all made up.

And on the subject of launching craft, what do the conspiracy nuts think happened to the 7 astronauts who went up in Space Shuttle Challenger?

Have they been spirited away from their families, living off grid? Or were they whacked?

The claim that was made here was that the Challenger astronauts didn't die and weren't killed. They were given new identities, some of which were people with similar names or invented brothers or sisters of the astronauts. And these identities were prominent enough to have their photos available on the early internet. And for some reason Nasa didn't spring for plastic surgery.

The reason for any of this remained unexplained.

It all seemed to be based off one decades old meme where low res images of the astronauts were put next to low res images of the people they were supposedly pretending to be.

I think it's something that the flat earthers claim, but at the time it wasn't a common idea. in 2003, 9/11 conspiracy claims were the big new thing, and it wasn't as popular to make fake space claims.

Lad is off his bonce posting crap on Gangland threads...

Most sane Moon Landing Denier.

You are referring to the Van Allen belts of radiation. These are belts of radiation surrounding the Earth, indeed they are dangerous, however the Apollo missions flew through the thinnest part of them at high speed to minimize exposure (each astronaut received something like a dose as strong as a chest x-ray)

So what 'element of substance' can you add re Donjoe's observation that the video you posted starts with Elon Musk correctly stating that in 1969 we took people to the moon?

Here is a simulator of the actual landings, using the same computer + replaying the landing from the actual instructions from the Apollo 11 mission, showing it was indeed indicative that they did land on the moon using a basic computer. It's possible to verify every single parameter used in the simulation as it is fully open source. It's amazing they went through all of this trouble to fake the landing, by really landing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_eBGSe5zEQ

The Apollo 11 film that came out a couple of years ago really should be compulsory viewing for every Junior Cert student (maybe take 3 or 4 hours out of the year's allocation for religion and Irish to watch the film and discuss it?)

Yeah I brought our kids to see it in the IFC, well worth making the effort to see it on the big screen.

After reading about yet another half arsed success to land anything (let alone men) on the moon, I thought to myself, why don’t they just use the equipment from 50 years ago? It worked before and now they seem to experience failure after failure with modern technology.

So why not?

a) build new versions

b) why not, it’s the only technology that has been successful multiple times

c) see b

Yesterday’s mission along with countless others was to deliver a probe or a lander or some other piece of equipment. 50 years ago they landed MEN on the the moon not just once. Your definition of success in reference to landing on the moon differs somewhat from mine.

The money excuse is just that, if you think for one second there is less wealth available to not just the US and Russia, but India, China and countless private companies, you must be living on the moon.

So, why not build the old technology and equipment that worked instead of these modern pieces of **** that in comparison don’t.

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A private mission tips over on landing and this leads you to believe that man didn't land on the moon..

If it didn't tip over, you would be leaning the other way? Some fragile logic there.

That's as thick as asking why don't we just use the money from 50 years ago, after all everything was cheaper then!

It doesn't add to you because you've not actually put any effort into trying to understand it. You have then therefore concluded that the moon landings must have been faked based on this.

You can't believe that people landed on the moon, but you can believe that there is this giant decades long conspiracy to fake the moon landing and other space missions for no dependable reason. And you believe you've cracked this conspiracy because you've put no effort into research.

Also isn't is funny that conspiracy theorists are railing about this failure, but don't seem to have any comment on recent space successes, such as landings on Mars and asteroids. All faked I suppose. But this landing wasn't allowed to be faked or something.

Not to mention the fact that they are currently in a proxy war with the West.

Do you not think Putin would love nothing more to prove that the Americans never landed on the moon and that they have been fooling the world for 50yrs?

It just doesn't add up.

Love the arguments that surround why we can't do this easily today. Just because 50 years has gone by, it should be a snap now.

The average age of a nasa engineer in 1960 was 28. Twenty eight. Imagine that today 😆

We instinctively think each generation gets smarter and smarter. It's becoming clear this is not the case.

A lot of the ingenuity in engineering fields (software and hardware) is "on the shoulders of giants" stuff. Ask a software developer to do something extremely basic from first principles and you'll get a blank stare.

We mostly adopted advances in technology for leisure activities not for anything that might advance the human race unfortunately.

Not saying we can't do it today, it's just still very hard and not a lot of money in it. Look at space x relanding a rocket. On a platform on water. But they did this for profit. Not because it was hard. Amazing nonetheless.

And now private companies can land on the moon and people are scoffing at the achievement 🙄 🤣