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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭artvanderlay




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    BAI funded Lucy Kennedy to the tune of €250k for some shite for Virgin, so that alone wouldn't have me rushing to pay my licence fee :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Not everything funded is going to be to everyone's taste, but lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    This is true, but I think the baby is up **** creek at this point!

    CnaM need to take some charge, and RTÉ need to make massive changes. When that is done I might consider turning the immersion on so the Baby can have a fresh bath.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Not surprising really with RTÉ running the show, really these reviews should come under the CnaM at this point.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,506 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ex-RTÉ executive claims he was left out of Tubridy pay meeting 'to conceal' deal from him (irishexaminer.com)

    RTÉ’s former chief financial officer (CFO) has said he believes he was excluded from an infamous meeting concerning payments to Ryan Tubridy in order to “conceal from” him what had taken place.

    Richard Collins left RTÉ in the fall-out from a series of scandals at the broadcaster beginning with the discovery of €225,000 in hidden payments to Mr Tubridy.

    Mr Collins said that at a meeting he attended on April 30, 2020, it was agreed that RTÉ could not underwrite a series of payments for the former Late Late Show host which were initially intended to be made by car dealer Renault.

    One week later on May 7, a Teams meeting was held between former director general (DG) Dee Forbes and Mr Tubridy’s agent Noel Kelly at which a verbal agreement was given by Ms Forbes that RTÉ would indeed underwrite the deal. The decision eventually saw RTÉ pay Mr Tubridy €150,000 in two separate payments of €75,000 wired via a barter agency in the UK.

    In a letter to the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), Mr Collins said he can “only speculate” as to why he was not updated regarding what had happened on May 7, which differed fundamentally from what he understood to be “agreed company policy on the matter”.

    “It would appear to me that the intention was to conceal from me that the decision made at the meeting of 30th April 2020 had been reversed,” he said.

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    Separately, it confirmed that Mr Tubridy was paid €12,500 per month, for June, July and August of this year — the months when he was off the air following the scandal over his hidden payments. This was prior to negotiations over a new radio deal with RTÉ being terminated by its director general Kevin Bakhurst on August 17.

    ---------

    Regarding her exit from the broadcaster under a voluntary redundancy programme, a programme for which only obsolete jobs were supposed to qualify, Ms O’Keeffe said it would not be “appropriate for me to make any public comments” pending a public review of that programme being compiled by law firm McCann Fitzgerald.

    So many skeletons left to uncover. The taxpayer got screwed as per usual and FFGG stand idly by.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    And let's not forget ......"Ryan Tubridy said if they are not called upon for the six remaining gigs, the money will be handed back." (per RTE report on his original appearance, which he appears to have forgotton about, as has the media).



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,544 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    A broke company paid Tubridy 25 grand for doing nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Was Mr Collins the Chief Financial Officer who had no idea what he was being paid

    probably understandable that he was left out of financial negotiations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,751 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,807 ✭✭✭Tow


    I once wrote a cheque out to the Collector General for ~37,000. I can now see it was well spent.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Hard not to be angry with these incompetent people in RTE.

    I think that we're in the Aliens solution territory: Nuke the place from orbit and start again.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I have been on the Collector Generals mailing list for 20 years

    It disgusts me where my money ends up



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    "Only way to be sure"

    Now if only KB were as ballsy as Hicks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,641 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Lookit……If the current mob are largely still intact John Q Taxpayer will still be butt reamed.

    Any Govt who gets rid of the current licence fee process and replaces it with yearly contributions from general taxation to thi llot deserves to be kicked out of office rapido.

    We have seen and can still see the stuff this lot got up to being fast and loose with the taxpayers dollah while winkelling in their own grubby little sidelines on the strength of a public persona.

    They want to ‘geld’ JQT so they can work their own little fifedom away from prying eyes and continue the ‘omertà’ style of management so beloved by Tony Soprano and his friends.

    It’s getting very like that right now.…… we need to stay awake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Sinn Fein seem to be the only major party considering funding from general taxation:

    Everyone else seems to be leaning towards a dedicated household broadcasting change that would replace the TV Licence. And despite strong reservations to the idea in the past, it's looking more likely that it will be Revenue collecting it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    When you see Fair City dropping an episode every week you know things are quite bad, that should be one of RTE's top priorities, it's a serious attempt to reflect modern Irish society and it's being slashed is a more serious matter than the cynics would have you believe. And it poses the question, can things get better for RTE, it it makes its own output worse? In the circumstances Revenue are going to have to deal with the fee collection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    They can always try spinning it as a bargain 'sure look at what we were paying him to do nothing before all of this'



  • Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    not a thing is going to change in rte as far as i can see...they got their bailout and its now a bit of window dressing to make it look good while new ways are dreamed up to pish it away as fast as they can...close it up for a few months and start fresh


    "They gave me an impossible task,one which they said I wouldnt return from...."

    ps wheres my free,fancy rte flip-flops...?

    pps wheres my wheres my rte macaroons,kevin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,081 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The entire point of hiring contractors is to pay them when they are working not sitting at home eating jellybeans



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭jmcc



    Can't wait for the FFG people to claim that she and SF are being "populist".

    It is the only logical way of saving RTE's public service function. Break up the company and let RTE's commercial arm sink or swim in the market without licence fee or exchequer funding. Think that people like Tubridy are worth tens of thousands of Euro per month? Then let them f*ck off to some broadcaster who will pay them that and then, when they inevitably begin to lose audience numbers, let those broadcasters deal with reducing their salaries or firing them. They'll soon be fired if they are not pulling their weight.

    And as for the RTE "management", the same thing can be done. The prize for wasting money on fiascos like "Toyshow - The Musical" shouldn't be a transfer and a pat on the back in commiseration about it not working out. These people have to learn the value of money extorted from licence fee payers and the exchequer.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    Imagine you're running RTE and the little bubble head Ryan Tubridy sends his agent after you to get sly topup deals signed off on, to bolster his already egregiously high wage. Instead of telling him......."Eh, fúck off and we might renew your next contract, maybe".........You actually circumvent your CFO and keep him in the dark in order to placate "RTE's biggest star", in case he might........excuse me while I fúcking choke laughing..........decide to leave for another broadcaster and an offer of even more money!

    Then you're replaced by a guy who pays him €37k for 3 months leave and who bends over backwards to offer him his old job back for the absolute pittance of €180k pa

    Then Mr Tubridy, after failing to begin a Joe Rogan beating podcast from his home office, after failing to secure another prominent role in Irish media or indeed a role on a major show on BBC radio, ends up taking a job on a mickey mouse station, where he will be working long hours relatively speaking for well below €100k

    It disgusts me on a fundamental level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I'm going with -

    Noel: Look Dee, whatever you do, you do not want to lose Ryan on your watch

    Dee: Jesus Noel, you're right. What does he want?

    Noel: 75k by 3, no cuts - Don't care how it's done but I'd suggest CMS through the UK

    Dee: Okay, leave it with me. Jesus, thanks Noel






    Noel




  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Why is there still a post from a re-reg with just one post, personally attacking another poster still on the thread? It was posted at 12:01pm and was reported.

    Hello?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    The Mods are volunteers. It’s likely they have better things to be doing on a Saturday afternoon.

    Unlike the total melt that went to the trouble of signing up for yet another new account to post that primary-school level attempt at an insult. And me, of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Theres more than a few people who have dropped the licence fee.. opting for other methods of entertainment.

    I know people living rural, no TV.

    Are we saying everyone should be made pay, collected at source by Revenue?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Pelvis Parsley


    Keep up the good work jmcc!



  • Registered Users Posts: 909 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    The people with no TV will have to pay. I'm quite surprised more people are not angry about this. The one good aspect of the current model is that you can legally walk away from paying RTE salaries though the somewhat drastic action of getting rid of your TV. This final legal option is being removed.

    It is really the only thing holding RTE accountable; the idea that if they mess up really bad, people can walk away from them. When this option is finally removed, we can expect more scandals like the Tubridy payments scandal. RTE will become a bit like the HSE, a perpetual failure but one where top salaries are paid out year after year regardless of failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is a serious problem with no easy solution. The "broadcast" tax has been floated for decades by whichever government was in power. The problem for broadcasters like RTE is that their market shares have been falling continually and the way that people "consume" media has changed. Originally, RTE had the Irish TV market to itself and there was minimal competition from the UK and NI channels. Along comes cable TV in the 1970s and the figures begin to drop. The cost of television sets remained quite high so most homes didn't have two TVs. Then the costs of the TVs started to fall in the 1980s and families began to buy second TVs for the kids. The kids didn't want to watch RTE. Satellite TV kicked in towards the end of the 1980s and began to be carried on the cable TV networks so it was more competition for RTE.

    The radio side of things for RTE was even worse. In the 1970s, the Pirate Radio stations started up and almost every town in Ireland had at least one pirate radio station and people listened to them instead of RTE. To try to deal with the problem, RTE launched 2FM and it was, for a while, popular. The FF local radio legislation nearly killed off a whole industry. Some RTE DJs proved that they could survive in commercial radio. Could Tubridy have survived in such a competitive environment? No. As soon as he got Gerry Ryan's slot (G Ryan being one of a kind), the slot lost about 40% of its audience. The way that Irish broadcasters weren't falling over themselves trying to get Tubridy with huge salaries showed how screwed up RTE really was in terms of both management and salaries.

    The big problem with a "broadcast" tax is that it is unfair and is not based on consumption. Someone with no TV would have to pay it and someone who has no radio would also have to pay it. There's no feedback system in it that would allow for consumption of media to be measured. (It might be possible with Virgin's cable network but that would create a lot of privacy problems.) The way that TV and radio audiences are guesstimated have their own problems. If Tubridy was as popular as the RTE/NKM propaganda claimed, the audience for the radio slot should have dropped like a stone after he was removed. It didn't.

    There are two possibilities for that. The first is that the way that audiences are measured is not accurate. The second is that many people don't so much listen to radio as are subjected to it as a background noise. Someone on a bus trip might be considered a "listener" but they have no control over the choice of station. That's generally up to the bus driver.

    The FFG government already has a lot of problems and a backlash against a broadcast tax would probably equal that of the protests against the Water Tax. RTE's credibility and that of its management was destroyed this year. At this stage very few people would want to pay to keep people like Tubridy paid the salaries that they had come to expect. The licence fee revenue was down 20 million Euro this year according to an article in the Indo. People may not want to pay the licence fee in 2024. The upside for Tubridy fans is that they will be able to listen to him in January without having to contribute to his salary.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Just to add on the radio side of things for those who may not be aware. Pirate radio in Ireland especially during the 1980s was a major thorn in the side for RTE. Referring just to the Dublin area alone, Dublin's 'superpirates' were considered to be such a threat that RTE commenced an STL (studio to transmitter link) jamming campaign during the mid 1980s in an effort to put them off the air. By the mid to late 1980s both of Dublin's 'superpirates' had introduced highly aggressive American CHR type music formats that were essentially destroying Radio 2 (2FM) listenership figures particularly in the 15-34 age group.

    By 1988, 2FM found it very difficult to compete in the Dublin area, hence the introduction of The Gerry Ryan Show. They basically had to create a 3 hour talk show and put it on what is or what was regarded as a music station. With local radio legislation coming around the corner, the 'superpirates' were informed that they needed to be off the air by December 31st of that year. From January 1989 until the end of July, RTE had the best opportunity to grow the listenership figures of The Gerry Ryan Show and 2FM as there was nothing but static from 96Mhz to 108Mhz on FM. For the radio listener there was very little choice!

    In those days, what if it was Ryan Tubridy and not Gerry Ryan? I think 2FM would have been facing a more onerous situation. Gerry Ryan and that particular show (although I was not a listener) did have the capacity to engage effectively with its target audience albeit a general age group that the radio station was not supposedly designed for. I don't think Ryan Tubridy would have been able to relate to that listener on the same level and 2FM's shortcomings would have become apparent much sooner.

    As far as Ryan Tubridy and his new radio show on Virgin/Q102 is concerned, I have a wait and see approach. But if anything I think it should be, hmm, interesting.



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