Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

The Nal · 14-12-2023 12:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493644#Comment_121493644

The inner city flats thing has never worked. We're hundreds of years into it now. What chance are we giving kids growing up here?! Too small to have mates round so if you want to socialise, its out onto the city streets. No gardens to play in, no room to bring mates in for a bit of gaming or watch TV etc.

Where do they go for a game of football even?! Theres nothing for them to do.

Have you seen the inside of some of these flats? Shocking for 2023. When society treats kids like ****, dont be surprised when they treat society like ****. And so will their kids.

And yeah, covid really pushed a lot of people over the edge of giving a **** about anything.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-in-a-cramped-inner-city-flat-it-felt-like-the-walls-were-closing-in-1.4391636

Infestation of rats

Nearby are the Oliver Bond House flats, built in 1936. While well-designed for their time, they were not built for a modern pandemic.

The 397 flats are in 16 four-storey blocks. The average two-bed is 47-53sq m, far smaller than the mandatory 73-90sq m minimum today. Many are overcrowded, with little ventilation or storage space. During the first lockdown, residents suffered an infestation of rats – an issue that has not yet been eliminated.

There are two tiny playgrounds and no gardens. The only green area nearby is a small grassy patch at St Audoen’s Church.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-12-2023 12:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493527#Comment_121493527

"...nothing to do"

We've a live one here

Sugar_Rush · 14-12-2023 2:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493527#Comment_121493527

Yeah there's a kettle of fish.

Try to address the issue of purposeless women (or girls rather) getting knocked up like its their religion?

Having kids none stop with absolutely zero ability to provide for them in any meaningful capacity, ensuring they become the next generation of societal burden.

And correctly emphasize this as being the ultimate underlying cause of this entire socio-economic catastrophe?

Prepare to be branded as a misanthrope.

Sugar_Rush · 14-12-2023 2:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493528#Comment_121493528

Who are these organizations you speak of?

BlueSkyDreams · 14-12-2023 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493745#Comment_121493745

Punish it.

Thats how we stop it.

ASBOs for the youths so they are barred from city centre or their offending area and if the ASBO is breached, tracker goes off around your ankle and they go off to juvinile detention.

Same as above for adults, but they go to prison.

We need more detention centres and more prison spaces, just like we need an increase in all infrastructure to support our population growth.

Currently, we condone the antisocial behaviour, by virtue of there being no consequences.

People ask why do the kids do it.

The question they should be asking is, why wouldnt they do it? When they always get away with it.

realdanbreen · 14-12-2023 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120971812#Comment_120971812

So basically they turned you into a lapdog, charming.

Sugar_Rush · 14-12-2023 6:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495622#Comment_121495622

Many countries have mandatory military service.

If it were incorporated as part of the education program, i.e. participation included education, exams and qualified as a school year, I wouldn't see it as a terrible thing.

Red Silurian · 14-12-2023 6:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494579#Comment_121494579

Who are these Left wing FF and FG you refer to. Hardly the right wing Fianna Fail or Fine Gael? Labour are centrist at best

BlueSkyDreams · 14-12-2023 7:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495778#Comment_121495778

FFG are essentially centre left now, especially in terms of criminal justice & social welfare.

The Torys are centre right and I dont think anyone would suggest FFG are akin to the Conservative Party in terms of policy.

Red Silurian · 15-12-2023 11:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495965#Comment_121495965

That's exactly what I'd suggest

BlueSkyDreams · 15-12-2023 12:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498061#Comment_121498061

You feel FFG have the same approach to crime, migration & social welfare as the Tory party?

Red Silurian · 15-12-2023 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498411#Comment_121498411

Sorry I just realised you put the word "Centre" in front of the word "Right" in describing the Tories...

So... No... haha!

Varik · 15-12-2023 2:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121494083#Comment_121494083

Guess he was hoping no one would know where those apartments were.

Playground behind them, football and basketball behind that, and the YMCA across the road. Then there's everything else within walking distance as it's in the middle of dublin.

Sugar_Rush · 16-12-2023 1:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493843#Comment_121493843

There may be some element of truth to this?

City councils in all their wisdom, have constructed cheap housing and accommodation piled on top itself and it's quite reliably these areas that produce the most criminality and delinquency.

Not only that, but basically cramming low-earners or welfare recipients exclusively into these ghetto like estates/projects?

They didn't do themselves or anyone else any favours.

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Conversely, the baby-factory mentality amongst that demographic isn't without blame, and then it becomes a self perpetuating issue.

And when you look at young professionals who bust their ass, earn a wage and make tax contributions, forced to live in some house share, who would probably kill for a place of their own, it does emphasize the entitlement of welfare demographics who are given everything for free and then demand more and blame their supposed deprivation for their poor behaviour.

Quitelife · 16-12-2023 2:05pm

It’s the same all over the country - criminals have more rights than the law abiding people .

Judges & free legal aid solicitors will ensure nothing happens to the scum bags ruining our towns and cities.

Sugar_Rush · 16-12-2023 2:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502790#Comment_121502790

This is unfortunately and unquestionably, the sad reality of our times.

But how to improve this?

How to change it?

It's in many respects a social disaster that keeps getting worse.

These delinquent groups simply running riot (literally), and they know there's no repercussions.

I'm simply not sold on the idea of "build another prison", because at heart -- this was predictable;

We could see this coming years, decades ago, cause quite simply it's what our culture would inevitably produce once population started to rise.

Another prison may alleviate some overcrowding, but at untold cost to the taxpayer, and at heart, will it really change/improve societal behaviour?

Quitelife · 16-12-2023 2:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502798#Comment_121502798

We have less prison capacity than we had 30 years ago and there’s a huge increase in crime in that period and a large increase in population. Unless you murder someone you’ve a great chance of getting out of doing time . Criminals know this meaning you can rob houses , mug people , beat up people , etc etc and get away with it .

We need about 3 new jails at this stage and I would pay more tax to be able to go about my life in a safer society.

Sugar_Rush · 16-12-2023 3:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459337#Comment_121459337

Again, quoting stats in contrast to the Netherlands.

We're not far off almost double the number of inmates per 100k of population, already.

Clearly community policing (and by extension, national ethos) needs to improve regardless of how many scrotes get locked away.

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The REAL issue is exactly what we've seen in this thread.

We want better community policing, but don't want coppers to carry weapons.

Want more effective enforcement, but are really only okay with an absolutely minority of largely absent units carrying so much as tasers.

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I hate to say it, but Ireland is a "roll over" culture. We want this and that and complain and grieve, but are completely unprepared to actually address the issue head on....... and the first attempt made to do so, gets shot down for fear of violating our "civil rights", and sensibilities.

Sugar_Rush · 16-12-2023 3:38pm

I saw this thread on reddit earlier.

reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/18jlv4c/how_to_deal_with_harassment/

Some scrote is harassing a family, and police are basically victim blaming the dude.

This is a microcosm of the justice system in this country.

And if he responds, you can be certain coppers wouldn't hesitate to drag him in and issue penalties.

Quitelife · 16-12-2023 4:22pm

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1371333/fears-of-vigilante-style-policing-over-anti-social-behaviour-in-limerick-suburb.html

Have to organise volunteers in Castletroy in Limerick to protect walkers from attacks by gurriers

Sugar_Rush · 16-12-2023 5:34pm

As I see it, Irish coppers carry no authority, and inspire no respect.

When continental scrotes see coppers walking, watch them shut the fuck up and act scared.

Dublin scrotes see coppers walking, they laugh in their face or harass them or ram their vehicle, etc.

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But once again, grant enforcement more authority to remedy the issue?

"Break the back" of scrote culture and the sense of impunity they have in perpetrating their obscenity?

Sooner or later we're going to have to get over that mental block.

tastyt · 16-12-2023 6:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121503459#Comment_121503459

I’m sorry but this is just never going to work without more prisons too . You can’t put the cart before the horse . Get the scum off the streets and protect your citizens , then worry about prevention and rehabilitation.

Without more prisons they have no incentive to interact with these services . And it’s certainly not up to American tech companies to sort out our social problems , that’s our government’s responsibility

Varik · 17-12-2023 12:29am

If we increased prison space obviously it'll fill but I think that eventually the numbers will decrease given time.

Right now it's a revolving door, in and out and in and out. It's like putting your hand in hot water a quick dip and you don't feel it, it doesn't disincentives' anything.

Sugar_Rush · 17-12-2023 1:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504765#Comment_121504765

That's the point.

The revolving door system, it acts as no kind of deterrent for this compulsive anti-socialites.

They simply get worse.

Community policing, it's the only answer.

Carrot and stick approach. Given the impunity scrotes have, clearly, the stick component is essentially non-existent.

tikka16751 · 17-12-2023 1:50am

We need integration, humanity and caring.

Sugar_Rush · 17-12-2023 1:55am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZJQesUOp1k

Look at this shit.

Where are the long batons?

Where's the tasers?

Where's the deterrent?

Bullshinanigans!!

Now check this out:

And this:

Just imagine the "culture shift" having actual law enforcement descending upon this perpetual scumbag free-for-all would make?

How much nicer Ireland would become?

Thinking about this makes me truly HATE the primitive values and general lack of will to venture outside the historical "box", that best characterizes Irish politicians.

Sugar_Rush · 17-12-2023 1:58am

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1736081744242053190

More to the ranks.

But what difference will they make without the support of the political of judicial system?

Without the authority or means to actual enforce a thing?

I mean, it's great they're recruiting and boosting numbers, but as a direct extension of the above, we all know the drop-off rates will be massive.

BlueSkyDreams · 17-12-2023 2:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498420#Comment_121498420

The Tories are centre right.

BlueSkyDreams · 17-12-2023 2:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121503459#Comment_121503459

No, you need prisons first to get them off the streets and provide deterrent.

Rehab of offenders comes a long way second to public safety.

juno10353 · 17-12-2023 3:54pm

In European countries the police are treated respectfully. The police national and garda civil in Spain are a good example. Plus all look fit and healthy, and yes many have tattoos. Local police also act as crossing guards at primary schools, so know children and families in area from young age and are visable in community.

In comparison, yesterday we had a garda car rear ended and then side smashed by adult thug who was given bail as he was carer in community. Total disrespect by attacker and by courts, shown to our police force.

Red Silurian · 17-12-2023 3:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504937#Comment_121504937

Haha good one

BlueSkyDreams · 17-12-2023 7:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121505793#Comment_121505793

The UK doesnt have enough prisons either.

BlueSkyDreams · 17-12-2023 7:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121506195#Comment_121506195

So its not possible for an irish political party to move from its base (FFG from centre right to centre left), but its perfectly possible for a UK party to do same?

Whichever way you cut it, the Tories are further right than our Govt and in the UK, the Tories are still mostly considered centre right.

We have a very liberal political outlook in ireland which means that centrist is as far right as it is possible to go for any major party.

Potential-Monke · 17-12-2023 9:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504899#Comment_121504899

The problem with this country is, as per your first "Now check this out" picture, if they were Gardai the 3 of them would be up on assault charges and possibly jailed. Doesn't matter what led to it. In order to get that type of force over here, you need to get the public behind you, and the Irish public won't. We may want it to, I too think that the carrot is no longer working so it's time to return to the stick, but that won't fly in modern Ireland. The holier than thou elite are too well protected and immune to these activities that they won't back a tougher approach.

This is the country the people voted for. Most of us saw it coming a mile away, but here we are with one of the softest govermnets not willing to do anything of substance about it. I don't know politics, but I do know the answer is NOT Sinn Fein, who have a history of slashing Garda funding/support.

Sugar_Rush · 17-12-2023 10:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121507752#Comment_121507752

you need to get the public behind you, and the Irish public won't.

For sure.

The public won't like it initially, it's not something they'd reflexively support, as thoroughly evidenced via responses in this thread.

People baulk at change, especially radical change (exactly what the situation calls for).

I'd bet the public don't support the hate speech laws either.

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Public opinion and government implementation though? I mean if the wheels were put in motion, what is the public going to do, protest march against police authority, which the "far right" would probably use as an excuse to kick off another riot?

And yes Sinn Fein in their current form act as opposition and votes supporting them are more protest at failures of the current government, not actual support for their propositions or representations; they'd be a disaster, but lack of progressive moves by FF/FG means the electorate wants to express their displeasure -- what better way than advocating for the opposition.

Baba Yaga · 18-12-2023 5:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121506191#Comment_121506191

this...dont know alot about the rest of europe but in Italy where i regularly go its the same,the Polizia and the Carabinieri all look fit, both young and older,seem to have the respect from both the locals and the judges,can be helpful to the extreme(certainly to me a few times when i got lost) you can have a bit of a laugh and joke with them but there is a line you dont cross,saw the Carabinieri in action once,two of them were trying to quieten down a few lads that were getting out of hand,the lads didnt want to be quiet,within what seemed like seconds about a dozen more Carabinieri appeared from nowhere,batons drawn,couple of swift thumps,had the lads in handcuffs and actually threw them into the back of a van,the original two Carabinieri went back to strolling around the square,every one else went back to their food and drinks,and the van and the rest of the Carabinieri disappeared...we need this here in Ireland now...

Tippman24 · 18-12-2023 5:22pm

Maybe it's time to bring back the birch. Your Anto and Deco might have a greater respect if they know the consequences that await if they step out of line in the future.

SharkMX · 18-12-2023 5:28pm

Talking to someone last week and they had to call the Gardai for scrotes who were trying all the car doors and kicking front doors on the road.

She said she was speaking to a nice Garda on the phone who said he would love to help but they have been instructed not to engage with these scrotes. He offered to send a car to drive down the road sometime later that night and that might help. Some of her neighbors had to come out and patrol the road because when they found a house with noone in they would go around the back and start kicking the back door.

They followed them for a couple of hours with the scrotes calling them names and throwing things at them and eventually they got on the last bus into town. This was a nice quiet neighborhood. Looks like they came out for the night to see what they could rob. No need to worry about the gardai.

retalivity · 18-12-2023 5:45pm

Still cant believe that Thornton hall was never built, they even got a far as building the roads into it. Surely there is now enough political will to build more prisons to house these scrotes.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/oWN6EUSMwJwQRaTd6

SharkMX · 18-12-2023 7:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510938#Comment_121510938

Funny how the person who owned the farm was related to someone in government. Money got handed over and then it got abandoned.

Sugar_Rush · 18-12-2023 11:43pm

Put it this way.

1) predictive behavior, is always more effective than

2) reactive behaviour.

(Citation: Lisa Feldman Barrett -- MIT Neuroscientist).

Jailing scrotes is the definition of a reaction. Allowing them to be degenerates, then reacting to that.

Community policing = predictive. Cause why?

We KNOW how they're going to behave, what they're going to do.

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I used to use this expression more so in relation to prostitutes but hey....... if the shoe fits:

"You can never trust a scrote........ but you can always trust a scrote, to be a scrote".

Police go about their days work, knowing what they'll be confronted with, but lack of political resolve to genuinely graduate beyond historical precedent (unweaponed, unarmed, zero judicial or political backing to take affirmative measures in addressing the issue), and what can they do?

The answer is - they can not address the issue.

They can't even so much as make a dent in it.

The persistent subculture of degeneracy that is the blight of this entire country, they can't even say "boo" to that goose.

Sugar_Rush · 18-12-2023 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504947#Comment_121504947

Getting them off the streets has conclusively proven itself, to not be any kind of deterrent.

It simply puts that behaviour on stand by, ready to take up where it left off.

It's basically spawned a culture of compulsive re-offending, for that very reason -- it doesn't deter a thing.

A deterrent, is effective community police work.

BlueSkyDreams · 18-12-2023 11:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512376#Comment_121512376

You cant commit crimes on the street from prison.

The issue we have is almost no custodial sentencing.

L.Ball · 19-12-2023 1:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121507752#Comment_121507752

In estates & suburbs all over dublin crime and anti social behavior has gone from being condoned to celebrated, look at the scrambler funerals for these scrotes when one of them dies. It used to be a few bad apples but in the past 20 years the bad apples became the majority in these areas, and if you're not involved directly then your cousin/uncle/nephew is. None of these people are going to vote for a law & order party, it'd be political suicide for any TD to run on Gardai & Judicial reform.

retalivity · 19-12-2023 9:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121512635#Comment_121512635

None of these people are going to vote fullstop.

mikethecop · 19-12-2023 1:57pm

Teenager serving life for murdering woman shouts, ‘F**k off, get me out of this court’ after losing appeal | Independent.ie

sounds like he has learned his lesson and is benefiting from the social care and offender centered regime in oberstown , Did he really think he was gong to get out ?