Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

But I just don't think there's any chance of that happening. Why woukd current political parties perform a complete 180 on immigration issues when you even admit the vast majority of people don't necessarily want them to. Now a significant rise in support for a party like the National Party would likely make them rethink their approach.

Another riveting post. I see you haven't acknowledged the fact that one of the posters I originally quoted would consider voting for the NP either.

They are a left wing 'social justice' party. They couldn't go down the anti-immigration route, not without abandoning key parts of their very ideology for the last 30 or 40 years. Even FG or FF becoming anti-immigration would make more sense.

Also, I don't think they actually have too much in common with your average right wing or conservative voter. Pro-Palestine and anti-Israel, anti-Trump, pro-LGBT rights, not keen on strong law and order / prisons etc.

What about when the current experienced politicians are rats and snakes.

The NP only exist to discredit opposition imo. They would be heavily infiltrated by Irish and British intelligence agencies just like Republican parties like e.g. IRSP were.

They held their recent conference in the PSNI/MI5 bermuda triangle of Enniskillen in Northern Ireland which is very suspicious.

Can't speak for the others but I'm doing the exact opposite; I'm trying to help you guys to, instead of sitting around here venting about Roderic O'gorman's latest outrage, focus on what you really need: politicians who will implement the kinds of policies you want. Seems to me there are three basic ways of getting this:

1. Some/all mainstream parties pivot to more restrictive immigration policies. Not impossible in theory and indeed is already happening to a very limited extent

But these moves are presumably nowhere near sufficient for you guys. Seems to me the only you can really pressure the established parties to go further in this direction is by advancing options 2 and 3

2. People start voting for current far-right parties in numbers. As above, very little sign of this so far and most of you are saying you aren't interested and you don't believe these parties are ever going to break into the mainstream

So that leaves 3. Set up a new electable moderately rigt-wing party that will implement 'sensible' immigration policies. But this won't just happen magically. Somebody is going to have to take some practical steps out there in the real world. And it's already probably too late for it to happen in any meaningful way in time for the upcoming elections....

Oh wipee you have got us all because I said I might as well vote for them as all other fooking clowns in the mainstream parties.

You don't seem to gotten the salient fact that as was shown quite adequately in the video from Ballyshannon middle Ireland is really pi**ed off with all the political parties and their bullshyte.

Of course you probably wouldn't have watched that video as they are all of course far right racists.

Are you Irish and did you grow up in Ireland?

Irish people don't necessarily have a full suite of 'liberal' or 'conservative' views. Most Irish people are pro-Palestianian for good or ill. There isn't a large pro-Israel faction in this country aligned with other views.

An Irish person doesn't need a strong opinion on Trump either way but I'm not aware of a lot of pro-Trump people in Ireland. He is seen as a bit of clown but only addicted-to-politics people feel like they need a stance. Non-news junkies don't care.

Also there is not a big population share of Irish people who are in favour of leniency for criminals. When someone is 'not keen on strong law and order' they are usually a professional bureaucrat or sociologist, or some other person acting in an official capacity or hoping to have a career doing so.

Look at a left-liberal site like reddit ireland, where even studenty types want criminals incarcerated and to see foot patrols by AGS.

It has nothing do with a British-and-American-influenced dichotomy of 'liberal' vs. 'conservative' where (American) conservatives are 'pro-police' 'law and order' types. For one thing all Irish people are pro-AGS, so there is no 'liberal' 'anti-police' faction to begin with.

Of course I didn't watch the video. What the people of Ballyshannon think doesn't concern me.

Given your a man who believes that what's happening is currently another situations of the plantations I really don't understand why you aren't a more vocal NP supporter tbh.

But you do at least acccept that most peoples views on immigration in this thread are aligned most closely with the National Party/Irish freedom Party compared to any other political party in Ireland?

Jesus will you delete that post encase someone from the goverment is reading it.

Although the way things are going that's probably an option they will need to look at.

3 counties in this constituency

The reason the anti-immigration lobby have been potentially looking at Sinn Fein to vote for is they hear all the anti-government language and criticism of FF/FG policies. But they're completely ignoring that SF is a left wing party and sees PBP and the Social Democrats as natural bedfellows. You cannot say you are a 'social justice' party, but then be anti-immigration. Social justice believes in looking after the poor, the left behind, minorities, victims of discrimination etc....immigrants and refugees who live here would 100% fall into that category, as would Irish people from ethnic minority backgrounds.

Vetting is pointless. If we trust the country of origin to provide reliable criminal records, then that's normally a safe country that can have them back. And when they come from a country who punish women for being raped then having a clean record doesn't mean anything. We should not accept non European asylum seekers at all, and only highly skilled non EU migrants, and even that may be problematic with that certain culture.