Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

But it is war. Hamas' actions as the government of Gaza on the 7th of October were an act of war. And Hamas's objective is clear. Should Israel try to co-exist with people who want them dead? That doesn't sound very realistic.

Well if you want to twist things to justify the killing of innocent civilians in order to protect against a claimed threat to you or your State, then make sure you are consistent anytime you hear a Zionist supporter pull the Holocaust card and pull them up on it and dismiss their claims as being "ah shure it was a war. It doesn't count"

Not much support for a unified support for a ceasefire

Actually sounds like most are for a ceasefire

Now do you mean deliberately targetting civilians within or outside the rules of war? As has been pointed out repeatedly, with reference to the particular Geneva conventions, it can be legal for civilians to suffer in war, otherwise we would never have had Dresden or Hiroshima.

I don't like what Israel is doing, I don't like wars at all, but if you are going to throw around accusations, as you appear to be constantly doing, we must consider them in the context of international law.

Well the Germans can point to the threat to their state from Jewish people before the outbreak of the second World War. It is undisputed that Kristallnacht was triggered by the assassination of a German diplomat by a Jewish youth. Jewish people were a (relatively small) proportion of those that lost their lives during the entire conflict. Yes they died, but so did tens of millions of others. Yet they bang on and on and on about it. Don't they know that these things happen in a war and are therefore readily dismiss-able as inevitable and meaningless? Yet still they moan about it.

Just trying to be consistent with your logic there...........no doubt you can see the flaws in it when it is against the side you have chosen to "cheer for".

I think this fella was originally very sympathetic to the Israelis after Oct 7th.

So, are you trolling (well, that'd be no surprise, actually) or do you really think the Holocaust was started by German Jews? I mean, really?

Because, as bad as it is, what's going on in Gaza is not in any way equivalent to what the German government did, largely after the start of WWII, to Jews, Roma, Jehovah's witnesses, gays, etc. Pathetic that this has to be explained to you.

The only thing you're being consistent with is "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." Perhaps the mask is slipping? I'm referring to international law and the history of warfare, both of which are very clear. As are the facts, i.e. that Gaza has been a terrorist military base since 2006. A standard of FAFO (F Around and Find Out) is (or was) universally accepted throughout history. Why are you subjecting da Joos to a different standard that no-one else in history has been held to?

You guys have your few "go to" retorts to try to shut down any debate.

Now you are going on about some book printed long before any event mentioned on thread. What next - Merchant of Venice? |I doubt you'd even know what was in it. Either of them for that matter.

Please let us know of the relevance. How many Gazan toddlers is each IDF soldier allowed to kill because of some pamphlet published over 100 years ago. Maybe we can unearth a newspaper story of a Jewish person being mugged in London in the 1840's and use that to justify another few thousand of those toddlers.

Your own mask has well and truly slipped at this stage yourself!

"They are a different kind of bunch. They don’t want any solution with the Palestinians, they just want to punish all the Palestinians"

Sleepy Joe on the Israelis. December 13, 2023

The notion that any of Israel's actions were based on an intention to target Hamas is, and always was, a barefaced lie. Netanyahu was open about it from the start with his Amalek crap. It was only facilitators (similar to some on here) who sought to try to obfuscate it.

You could be correct, however From the timings it seem Israelis had decided (for the time being) not to do a preemptive strike before the meetings with the US.

Of course the US also didn't want them to invade Gaza. We know how much they listened to the US on that...

On the other side various parties have been trying to get Hezbollah not to provoke a reaction. Hezbollah response...

Whats holding back Hezbollah and Israel is reported to be..

Could go either way. Someone said earlier the US presence might be holding the power keg in check for the time being. That might be true.

"[The hostages] appeared [to the IDF] to be terrorists because there was no good visuals on them, and they could have been wearing clothes that belonged to locals,"

So going by that the IDF are just shooting and killing people because they could be terrorists wearing civilian clothes. Sounds like a good way to limit civillian deaths, just shoot and kill anyone in clothes.