Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

You guys have your few "go to" retorts to try to shut down any debate.

Now you are going on about some book printed long before any event mentioned on thread. What next - Merchant of Venice? |I doubt you'd even know what was in it. Either of them for that matter.

Please let us know of the relevance. How many Gazan toddlers is each IDF soldier allowed to kill because of some pamphlet published over 100 years ago. Maybe we can unearth a newspaper story of a Jewish person being mugged in London in the 1840's and use that to justify another few thousand of those toddlers.

Your own mask has well and truly slipped at this stage yourself!

"They are a different kind of bunch. They don’t want any solution with the Palestinians, they just want to punish all the Palestinians"

Sleepy Joe on the Israelis. December 13, 2023

The notion that any of Israel's actions were based on an intention to target Hamas is, and always was, a barefaced lie. Netanyahu was open about it from the start with his Amalek crap. It was only facilitators (similar to some on here) who sought to try to obfuscate it.

You could be correct, however From the timings it seem Israelis had decided (for the time being) not to do a preemptive strike before the meetings with the US.

Of course the US also didn't want them to invade Gaza. We know how much they listened to the US on that...

On the other side various parties have been trying to get Hezbollah not to provoke a reaction. Hezbollah response...

Whats holding back Hezbollah and Israel is reported to be..

Could go either way. Someone said earlier the US presence might be holding the power keg in check for the time being. That might be true.

So what about the non Hamas supporters? How do they differentiate or is it '' kill them all and we accomplish our task''?

"[The hostages] appeared [to the IDF] to be terrorists because there was no good visuals on them, and they could have been wearing clothes that belonged to locals,"

So going by that the IDF are just shooting and killing people because they could be terrorists wearing civilian clothes. Sounds like a good way to limit civillian deaths, just shoot and kill anyone in clothes.

Reminds me of the incident where a few Israelis ran out with their assault rifles in response to some kind of threat and was shot (I think by a soldier) because the soldier assumed it was a Palestinian so he could get away with it.

They tried to cover it up anyway but the body was later exhumed and an autopsy proved the soldier shot him. Was in the news yesterday or the day before.

Not to be making light of a serious situation, but it reminded me of an episode of South Park

Not even remotely a surprise that the IDF would be trigger happy creeps. If they're able to kill their own people so easily, they must be taking even less care with Gazans - they must be one of the worst and most unprofessional armies in the world (strongly rumoured they killed dozens of Israelis on October 7th).

Zero principles of distinction being applied. Which has been pointed out previously except this time they have now killed their own.

Right, and it's going to be whitewashed of any potential war crimes just like the allies are whitewashed in today's history. This always tend to happen for the winners, especially when they are the ones with a good cause.

Sorry, hard to go back through so many posts here. I recall you and others debated the point about "the Jews being held to a different standard". Could you remind me what you posted in regards to this?

Speaking for myself, possibly others, I think anyone viewing these events who has any notion of humanity in them would see that this is just plain wrong. I think any belligerant who is responsible for the killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians and reducing their homes, workplaces, hospitals, places of worship etc. to rubble, starving them, denying them medical supplies and terrorising them has crossed the line of unacceptability of plain simple humanity.

The attacks of October 7th equally crossed that line of unacceptability. But that does not give anyone the right to act disproportionately in their response. And in my opinion, there is nothing "absurd" in calling out Israel on what the IDF is doing.

I find the words "da Joos" that you used in your post quite offensive.

They are well trained soldiers. Mistaken, probably. Incompetent, no.

The use of small arms fire wouldn't normally lead to "genocide" and individual foot soldiers would not normally be classed as "genocidal". That would be the State. With significant quantities of bombs and heavy weaponry and shells.

You seem to be suggesting that Israel is incompetent and not genocidal? And it has little/no control over the army it has? And has been training for many decades? Or am I reading too much into your words?

First of all, I reject utterly the claim that Israel is "genocidal." They're in a war where lots of people want them dead, in my view they're justified in taking a total war stance. I was responding to tales of IDF soldiers killing their own troops, Israeli hostages etc. that sounds like at least some in the IDF aren't entirely sure what they are doing. I'd also have to question Israel's government and intelligence services if they legitimately had no idea the 7th of October attacks were about to happen.

I really don't see that the IDF is going after legitimate military targets with the bulk of the dead Gazans being women and children. I can't vouch for the men but I doubt all of them are Hamas combatants. I don't agree that Hamas has turned Gaza into a "giant terrorist military base" and Israel doesn't believe that either.

I think you are making excuses for the what the Israelis are doing by starting tour premise with "All throughout history..."

Did you "give a s***e" about the people killed in the Allied bombings of cities in Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? Or just Gaza?