General Star Trek thread

I'm not looking for outrage but new experiences colour old ones.

You are. It's obvious from your posting the last few years.

That makes no sense.

Game of Thrones was different seasons of the same show. The same story with season 1 the start and 7 the end.

Absolutely nothing like the slight links TNG has to Discovery. Nothing about the Picard show even has any real bearing on TNG episodes.

Personally, I find it easy not to think of the modern stuff as being in the same universe as the three golden era shows....they're so different, tonally, visually, the acting, the writing...you name it.

I did really enjoy Picard S3, same with SNW, Lower Decks, and Prodigy, but they're still "separate" for me. I don't find myself watching a TNG episode thinking it all turns out like shown in Picard, thankfully. There's just no connection for me between the shows.

Discovery, Picard S1/2 I'll likely never watch again, so they're quite easy to forget.

Yeah I'd accept that actually. Enterprise gets a bad rap, but once it gets going it definitely has some good moments.

Tbh, I only watched TOS for the sake of completeness. It's a very different show to TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT imo. Even "canon" wise, aside from the core characters and concepts (Kirk, Spock, Scotty, Uhura, Federation, FTL travel, Klingons, Romulans), it doesn't really line up that much or even maintain much internal consistency with its own canon for that matter.

Like I don't think it was unfair for fans of TOS to complain about TNG being so different, it really was. As someone who grew up on TNG it's different in the sense of much much better imo but different nonetheless. Similarly Discovery is a very different beast to the Trek series that came before. Worse imo, but it does have its own legion of loyal fans who absolutely love it.

Ya TOS canon is all ove the place even with itself. Starfleet and the Federation was really only nailed down in the TOS movies as the names change a few times in TOS and the structure is not fleshed out.

I always think the movies (probably due to production dates) fir in with Berman Trek better than they do TOS.

First kiss between Black and white was a much bigger deal anyway - at that stage Black Americans had only just recently been recognised as legally equal, with segregation having just ended. So that specific dynamic was a massive culture shock, and a real sign of 'the future'.

I suppose it's a debate that could be had... I'd personally say that the Kirk Uhura one was bigger at the time, with Nichols' race literally and legally being seen as sub-human only 3 or 4 years before that episode, with that switch in status still being a massively controversial issue in 1968 (and for a long time after). Of course the US has always been fairly awful in its treatment of all non-whites, but Black people always had a special level of sub-societal status fundamentally ingrained in all aspects of daily life, so publicly elevating someone at that precise point in time was I think, the biggest such moment we've seen and indeed will ever see.

I think the proof is somewhat in the pudding that whenever this subject comes up, everyone immediately thinks of 'Star Trek' for the cultural impact of the moment. (I'd actually never heard of "Sea Hunt" until I googled to see what you were referring to, and in a bit of searching it doesn't seem like it created much news/furore at the time?)

I just think that if the "Sea Hunt' moment was actually a culturally bigger event than the Trek one, we'd have seen it have a more lasting impact than it has (or even just evidence of it having a big impact at the time, which i've had trouble finding). For me, it makes total sense the Trek one was a bigger culture shock in the moment for all the factors I went into above, as well as for the scale of interest in the respective shows.

Technically it's not even correct for the US but the previous one as a kiss on the cheek.

It very much seems like which one had the bigger cultural impact, both at the time and since, seems pretty clear... 🤷

Not outraged at all by the way. Disagreement isn't outrage.

So, erm Star Trek?