Prime Time Gender Issues (READ OP BEFORE POSTING)

I just feel like we are medicating people to fit into predefined personality models. We recently had a controversy were kids with ADHD symptoms were getting "doped to their eyeballs" rather than getting appropriate support this was the potential to be much bigger scandal.

Very few because despite all the talk about them and the virtue signalling there is f all trans people anyway.

This poster gets it.

This is not a black and white issue.

Why don't you tell me?

They deliberately chose a very niche issue, and ignored the role of the two clinicians in withholding services to substantial numbers of trans people.

If I wanted to deny something is possible, I'd say something like "I don't think that's possible". Maybe you'd focus on arguing with what I actually say instead of putting different words into my mouth so you can argue with them?

Earlier in this thread, cgcsb (and perhaps others who I didn't spot) touched on the point - where are today's goths/skaters/emos? The kids who don't quite fit in now seem to be the ones identifying as "they".

I was quite taken with the interview with "Sinead", the girl who thought she was a trans boy for a while. It ticked a lot of the boxes when it comes to digging deeper before making any life-changing decisions. She had a few things going on when she decided to identify as trans: undiagnosed autism, being sexually touched by another young person and having few friends. She hated her body and being a girl and thought life would be easier if she were a boy. The psychologist she was seeing also decided that she was a boy with a family which didn't understand. This she interpreted as a stamp of approval. Once she began openly identifying as trans, she became part of a supportive group of new friends at school. 10-12 fellow students who also identified as trans would have lunch together and held meetings. That's pretty seductive in itself if you've never been popular. Luckily for her, her mother connected with her and began to ask questions which sowed the seeds of doubt in her mind.

I don't believe anybody on the program said that nobody should transition. They're raising legitimate concerns about the potential for people to undergo life-changing treatments without adequate safeguards. It was ridiculous to compare that to getting your appendix out - that's a straightforward life-saving procedure which doesn't change who you are.

You're answering a different question to the one I asked. That provides details of the minimum age to request surgery. It doesn't clarify the minimum age for surgery to actually happen.

It also doesn't show people arguing for surgery to be available to people under 18 as you claimed.

You seem to be finding it very difficult to give examples of those arguing for surgery for people under 18, which you indicated was happening all over the place.

Has anyone ever suggested this? Like anyone? Ever?

So are you withdrawing your unsubstantiated claim of people here and elsewhere arguing for surgery for non adults?

So false allegations are your currency then, good to know.

I think there is a lot of underlying issues with people who has gender dysmorphia, studies have shown that Autism is the common thread. It seems to me to people looking for an 'answer'. But the problem is not as if people can flick a switch and go 'back' if they change their mind and want to detransistion. It seems like a gruelling experience, which can leave irreparable damage.

Oh right so this is to do with evaluating the patient by interview before prescribing treatment. I think this is unavoidable especially when it has been show that so many of today's patients are autistic etc. The clinicians are psychiatrists, that's what they do, talk to their patients. It may very well be that some of the questioning is inappropriate, but that does not mean there should be none at all or very little.

He’s getting a bit personal and intense with that multipost “cross examination”.

i found your earlier comments very interesting about being a girl and not being interested in “traditional” non-girl stuff. When I was young the “progressive” response was to say there are different types of boys and girls, you don’t have to be a stereotype.

it seems like a new dogma in the guise of “liberal” values has set in where if someone questions their biological identity, it’s a direct route to identity politics and “gender affirming healthcare”.

and if you dare to question this, see the responses above