Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Sean Bell on sky news talking about gunshots typically have a 15% fatality rate suggesting it would have had to have been a large firefight for all 3 to die.... No, Sean, gunshots are 100% fatal when it's an execution shot!

I am surprised that the IDF have admitted they shot them and even mentioned they were topless (possibly to show no hidden bombs) and waving a white flag.

If it had been three Palestinian men, who'd never done a thing wrong in their life, they'd be just labelled as Hamas and their executioners given medals. It's sick. What's even sicker is the people posting on an Irish site trying to facilitate and prolong such atrocities by repeating propaganda and lies.

I posted yesterday in relation to the story of the civilian with the AK47 who was killed by the IDF inside Israel. They shot him on sight and later found out he was "one of their own". Their attempted cover-up failed.

This is the closest that article comes to saying one side pulled back from talks, and it was Israel.

Your original post was a lie.

As you even quote. That was last month, the previous ceasefire collapsed after Hamas attacks. It made the news.

Things can change in short periods of time, even in an instant.

What is happening now can and is often different to what happened in the past.

Progress has not been made, doesn't exclude what I said.

Mark Regev (as heard recently on Drive Time) as reported by the BBC:

"Mark Regev, senior adviser to the Israeli prime minister, has given some details on how the difficulties of combat in Gaza could have led to the IDF mistakenly killing the three hostages held by Hamas. Asked what the IDF's rules of engagement are - which officials say its forces went against in killing the hostages - Regev says some have to be kept confidential because "Hamas is listening to our conversations".

"But it's clear we don't want to kill the innocent or our hostages.

"One problem we face is that Hamas don't wear uniforms, they wear civilian clothes, they are terrorists. There have been incidents in the past where they supposedly surrender and then attack our forces. "Suddenly you think an area is clean and someone comes out of a door or underground tunnel and fires at our forces." He says "there has to be action taken" if IDF soldiers broke its rules of engagement."

A lot of holes in that statement I think...

I think the reason Regev will not disclose the IDF's rules of engagement because it appears there are none. And Hamas know that - so why the cloak and dagger stuff? Couldn't be because he's lying could it?

"A mother and daughter were killed inside the Holy Family Church complex (Gaza City). Earlier in the week, two men were killed while they were coming and going from the building - a bin collector and a janitor."

The full scale of what the IDF has done and is doing is starting to trickle out. No surprise that journalists are banned from Gaza - wouldn't want the truth coming out. I fear that more harrowing details will likely come out over the weeks and months ahead and Israel will have a lot more to answer for to its own people and the world.

Full report:

Layla Moran's family among hundreds trapped in Gaza church - BBC News

There are many ignorant posters on here whom I suspect hate Palestinians because they think they are exclusively muslim. But there are Christians living in both Gaza and the West Bank. They are in danger, not from Hamas, but from Israelis.

How are Christians treated in Israel proper? There is a time honoured tradition of Jews spitting at them

And this video, admittedly from some US Christian channel, where the sent a reporter to investigate, and within about 5 minutes of dressing up and walking around with a priest, had been spat on multiple times.

I suspect it won't take long for certain posters to present mental gymnastics to basically say they got what they deserved.

Sharone Lifschitz is the British-Israeli daughter of Yocheved, 85 - one of the first hostages released from Hamas captivity in Gaza in late October. Her father, Oded, 83 is still missing and believed to be held hostage in the Strip.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4's PM programme: "Israel has a moral duty towards the citizens it abandoned on 7 October. As the time passes that moral duty is becoming more and more urgent."

The hostage families appear to have had enough. I see a ground swell of opinion building that could, hopefully, force a ceasefire.

It seems to me that the Israeli War Cabinet, whilst placating the hostage families and the general population to their faces, have always had a very different game plan. I don't see any attempts whatsoever to free the hostages. Looks to me like it a total free for all for the IDF.

Who was it who said "The most moral army in the world"?

And that is an absolute disgrace. The Israeli War Cabinet have pushed this way too far to the detriment of everyone who lives in Israel and to Israelis and Jews further afield.

Its hard to know how this will pan out - I see Netanyahu already got his political campaign underway in the midst of the bombing. They should hang their heads in shame (but they won't of course). They couldn't have scored a worse own goal.

And ordinary people continue suffer.

Remember kids, the IDF definitely doesn't kill civilians on purpose

Can't wait to see the usual lads try and defend this.

https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1736091046671495339?t=o9EExoxXa3nU3JV8v2xm7w&s=19

I saw it on twitter it must be true. From someone that cheered on a terrorist attack in Leicester? In a hospital that was captured 4 days ago after heavy fighting: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/12/israeli-forces-raid-gazas-kamal-adwan-hospital-after-days-of-strikes

(you know, one of those hospitals where Hamas isn't present)

They have indeed undone a lot of hard work since WW2, just thrown it away. All so a belligerent government could try & avoid losing power. But the Israeli population have by & large supported this depravity and must take full responsibility. An exercise in how to make yourself hated.

I see the IDF killed some Jewish hostages in Gaza. That apparently has sparked protests in Israel. Yet the Israeli's were not sufficiently perturbed by the mass slaughter of Palestinians to protest. Very disheartening. Worryingly for Israel Hezbollah has upped the ante destroying a military installation in Northern Israel.

Netanyahu's policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide has brought forward the real possibility of Israel's statehood ceasing to exist in 20 years time if not sooner.