Prime Time Gender Issues (READ OP BEFORE POSTING)

So thats a solid "no" on answering any questions? Just going to continue shout nonsense from the ditches? Useful.

You seem to be struggling with basic logic here I'm afraid. I don't believe in God, that doesn't mean I don't believe that there are Catholics.

Noone is forcing you to believe anything. The law legally recognises their right to exist and it should.

It's Male Supremacy

I would need to know more about why they came to that decision. Sometimes medical establishments do make mistakes but as a non medical profession it's hard to judge the best approach. Who do you say is making the mistake here?

Here's a strak example of what goes on inside one of Ireland most sinister LGBT NGO's, BelongTo.

https://archive.ph/TVKaP#selection-4683.0-4693.230

We always suspected this kind of creepy stuff goes on in their 'youth groups' behind the scenes and it was only a matter of time till they would be exposed. There is absolutely no need for lgbt youth groups that BelongTo organize. The last thing young people need is to be exposed to leftist tribes, it's the worst possible thing for them.

I don't get the relevance to be honest but yes, I have spoken to people who use various different pronouns and who would call themselves trans.

Again, maybe I didn't say it on this thread but I genuinely feel for people who are unhappy about how they look and feel.

Would you care to address some of the points I have raised?

By 'abusing disabled people' I can only assume that you mean having a different opinion to you, and pointing that you don't speak for all disabled people. That's the only abuse that you got.

If you beat them hard enough and often enough, they will no longer be left handed. It wasn't just Ireland either, seems to have been a phenomenon in many countries.

And it isn't that far from the approach you're proposing for trans people, that they are somehow faulty and need to fixed to fit into your nice neat boxes. They don't need fixing, they need some support.

What you ignore of course is the harm done by withholding that support from those who need it.

I've had long debates here without definitions. If you want to play the Gript/GBNews definitions game, knock yourself out, but don't expect me to join in.

Have you spoken to many trans people about their childhood?

Do you think that people somehow magically manifest as trans on their 18th birthday?

Is this your new 'surgery for minors' thing, where you find something that doesn't happen and no one is actually proposing will happen and try to rile people up about it?

Do you have any source to suggest that affirmative care is effectively 'no questions asked' please?

Who or where is the elimination of tomboys happening please, other than in your own imagination?

Thank you. Though reading it again, I see that I missed out that only SOME transgender people believe that they are the actual opposite sex. Many others like Blair White or Buck Angel are very clear that they have not changed biological sex. So I should have said SOME believe that.

And perhaps also, to agree with your point about a risk of sanctions for so-called hate speech etc, I should also say that out of politeness I'm happy to use whatever pronouns they wish about trans people, so long as this isn't taken to be some sort of "evidence" that they are the opposite sex to their birth sex, and to make this into an obligation for the rest of us to participate more fully in their beliefs. Same as I don't insult religious people to their faces, nor indeed behind their backs, as long as they don't try to make me follow their rules.

I've spoken to (at least*) two on an on-going basis thru community organisation work.

One of them, I've stayed in her home, and it was while watching her and her husband work in the garden that I realised very profoundly that despite the clothing, makeup, body-altering hormones and surgery (which I've absolutely not asked about and never would - but 3rd parties tell me was extensive) - she fundamentally still had male body strength, attitude and approach to physical tasks.

(*) at least, because if it's a thorough job, it can be very difficult to tell in casual conversation.

The ironing here is delicious.

Why don't we eliminate depression by telling people that they are actually happy?

If you're suggesting that there was some abuse on my part, feel free to call it out or report it to the mods.

This whole topic is definitions based, particularly when you are talking about medical interventions.

What exactly is it that trans people want to be? At what point do they become that thing and at what age is it appropriate to undergo irreversible medical interventions? Can someone decide to be something else down the line? These are all definitions based questions and unfortunately not addressing them totally undermines whatever points you think you are making.

What data are you referring to please?

You seem to be suggesting that unless each participant here is a medical expert on transgender issues, they shouldn't be participating in any discussion. Which would make this thread, and many other threads here, very quiet.

If I was bothered, I could spend ten minutes searching via DuckDuckGo and find definitions. But I know it's an absolutely fruitless exercise, because all it leads to is nitpicking about definitions, instead of focusing on the substantive issues. Work away there with your definitions if you like.

That's not what I am suggesting at all, that would be a fairly extreme take on it.

When a person born a man says they feel more like a woman what do they mean? At what point do they 'become' a woman?

Let's start there if strict definitions aren't your favoured starting point.

In fairness when you are in a thread that deals with medical interventions you would probably want to have some clarity on starting points for definitions.

For example, were I to advertise on social media and say that I was a doctor who specialised in gender care and consultation, would you expect people to take that at face value, because we don't like definitions, or to question my bona fide based on some set of rules/frameworks or definitions?

But I am a medical doctor, I ask you treat me as such and refer to me as Dr. in future.

No problem, what's your Medical Council registration number please?

Yeah, I am the confused person here........

How dare you refuse to accept me as a doctor based on my feelings alone.

Let's say I said to you that I was born a man but now I feel like a woman. I'd say you'd have no issues accepting that based on current logic on display. Or would you question it?

How is it different. I feel like something. I happen to feel like a doctor. I wear all the doctor clothes, I think like a doctor( I want to help people), I ask people to refer to me as a doctor. Are you saying the definition of a doctor is important?

And you've avoided my question.

Born a man, now I feel like a woman, do you accept that I am a woman now, what boxes do I need to tick so that you will accept me as a woman?

There's only one person playing a silly game here and it sure as hell isn't me.