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So it's just over 20 years since Concorde had its last flight.

  • 17-12-2023 12:51pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭
    Ms


    20 years since this beautiful plane flew in our sky's.

    if only it had got 20 or 10 more years flying then some super rich billionaire like Elon Musk or a conglomerate like Apple or Amazon might have saved it. I remember at the time I think it was Richard Branson looking into trying to save it but saying it would just be too expensive even for him.

    It's such a pity. Yes I know only very rich people flew on it.

    There is no sign of any succeser yet either. Everything in this World and how we go about it has slowed down the last two decades. Even driving now the speed limits in our towns and cities are going from 50kph to 30 kph.

    It would be great if a succeser to Concorde ever happens that it would be more affordable Carry more people and of course quieter. That is the one big thing I think that is holding it up. Making a plane that can go faster than the speed of sound that is quiet.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Even saw an actual Concorde in flight through the clouds when it flew into Dublin airport.

    Roll on roughly 10 years and I saw one parked in JFK on St Stephens day 1996 when I landed there on EI from Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Oh wow. I only heard and barely seen them as they flew over my parents house as a child.

    Never seen one up close 😞.

    Maybe some day I will get the Concorde Musesm in the UK or France.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,433 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I accidentally saw it take off at Heathrow last flight of some sort , amazing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,082 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Worked down in Shannon 20 odd years ago, they used to train pilots on them down there. Noisiest yoke I ever heard, thought there was a hole in the exhaust! Was banned out of a lot of airports over the noise I was told, dunno how true it was.

    Nicest looking plane ever n probably the noisiest too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭standardg60




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There are limits to how quiet you can make a supersonic aircraft and its pretty bloody noisy.


    We can travel most of the world within one day. Concorde was and is a needless and excessively wasteful way of travelling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,750 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Was on a decommissioned one a few years back, it's very clostrophobic compared to your normal run of the mill jet. Everything inside said luxury, fancy dining etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,209 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I was on both Concordes in Le Bourget. Something everyone says and I found too, is how small and cramped those airplanes were in the cabin. That’s with no passengers or crew… so I can only imagine those aircraft with a full or full-ish passenger load…

    I have a cousin ex BA and she used to fly on it on occasion… work and pleasure… her take was that it was not as comfortable as you’d expect and that the hype alluded to but it was still a buzz…

    must have been brilliant to go London to NY in just 3 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭john boye


    I remember the Irish members of the European Ryder Cup team came back to Dublin from the States on it in the mid-90s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I went to see concorde G- BOAF at Bristol back in 2010. It was on Display outdoors at the time. It has since been moved in indoor museum.

    It was a very good tour back then as cockpit and main cabin was freely accessible and you could walk around and touch everything and sit in captains seat.

    Externally as well, walk all around underneath etc. The tours were given by ex concorde workers as well so very interesting.

    Nobody to blame for the grounding except air France.

    In the later years BA well doing quite well on concorde but once air France decided to end operations, the outlay to airbus to keep technical support available was too much for BA alone.

    That is the reason nobody else could take on concorde and keep it in the air. It needs the technical support from OE supplier to get airworthiness cert. The figures just didn't add up without multiple concorde carrying passengers daily.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Goodigal


    Oh I always wanted to travel by Concorde back in the 80s. My dad worked in Dublin Airport and we were all interested in planes. But I think I'd have struggled with how claustrophobic it was. And obviously the cost!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Lived in Windsor for a few months in very early 1992 ish. Sitting down for our supper in the evening and we'd hear it and feel it and eventually see it over the house.

    My son was very small at the time and initially would run to the window to watch it overhead but the novelty soon passed🥴 would love to see it now I'm thinking😃😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,140 ✭✭✭gipi


    Channel 4 showed a documentary on Concorde recently, it was very interesting.

    One of the things that killed it before it really got going was the banning of Concorde over land space by USA and other countries because of the sonic booms. It ruined the order book and severely restricted the destinations. The UK and France couldn't ban it because their governments were highly involved in the project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    At one stage they were doing corporate hospitality flights out of Dublin.

    A spin out over the Irish Sea and a glass of champagne.

    A member of my extended family got one from the company he worked for.

    Just for the record I was envious 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭standardg60




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    In West Cork, used to hear the bang off it just before 11o'clock in the morning. My time might be wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    You are in a way. It flew into and from SNN quite often on crew training flights. Being Atlantic adjacent meant it could go supersonic quicker than from UK and it gave a large runway for landing practice.

    AFAIK, the only passenger flight from Ireland via Concorde was the draw you mention,(as in to other countries) but, it was quite a common visitor to SNN back in the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes I seen the Documantery. It was very good. Highly recommend checking it out to anyone who has not seen it if you can. It also talks a bit about the Russian and and American efforts and the reasons they failed or never happened.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    For the aviation enthusiast who has everything, here's a unique chance to buy a Concorde engine complete with afterburner on eBay if you have £565,000 lying around:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/113823113322?_ul=BY




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    What would a person even do with that? I hope it ends up in a museum.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    I lived under its flight path in Surrey. God it made a lot of noise. No way it would be tolerated today by people who live near or under its flight path.

    But it was cool



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    Saw Concorde departing Heathrow (20 years ago - years went fast too!) such an amazing plane - staying at the hotel that overlooks one of the runways there. A great location for plane spotters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,217 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Flight "to New York" but no mention of a flight back. Sign of the times 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Don't forget there was uproar in New York about its noise when Concorde was first introduced. There were protests all around the airport etc. Noise abatement procedure and flight path was agreed for new york departures and it successfully operated in and out of there for decades...... with crowds gathering around the airport and crying when it departed for Heathrow for the last time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,209 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    A rather expensive static aviation / industrial museum piece…

    5.5 tonnes in weight, 18 x 5 ft dimensions

    the costs involved in transporting it would be significant. You’d need a rigid most likely, I don’t think a box body would cut the mustard transporting that and its stand. That said if you can afford to spunk well over half a million euros on that, you can certainly afford the ground transportation….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    I miss the double sonic boom that you could hear when it passed the south coast.


    I think we will eventually see the like of it again, I do hope so. Boom Overture does have some way to go, but has come a lot further than any other "Concorde-2" so far.


    Trouble is, Concorde itself would never wash these days with the noise - https://youtu.be/i1ShTUVIzCI?t=39



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭davepatr07


    Probably one of the most elegant aircraft built, always reminded me of a swan coming into land...

    My first experience seeing it was a trip to London in early 90's with my parents. They gave me a choice in terms of a treat for the day... go on a boat on the Thames or head out to Heathrow to see it take off and do some planespotting... Never forget the noise of it or how futuristic it looked. On the same trip went to Duxford Airfield and experienced going inside the prototype.

    Remember the Pepsi/AF one taking off 10 when I was living in Portmarnock, that was a sight too. Never got to fly in it but have experienced visiting inside the BA concorde in Seattle Museum of Flight and Air France at Air and Space Museum in Le Bourget. Such a remarkable machine and 20 years on still in awe of it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,235 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    About 5-10 years ago, I often had to stay in a hotel in Roissy near Charles de Gaulle airport. Across the road from it was a Concorde landing gear. The size of it when you're right next to it was unreal. Apparently, flight 4590 went down not too far away from where that hotel campus now sits




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Never got to fly in it but have experienced visiting inside the BA concorde in Seattle Museum of Flight and Air France at Air and Space Museum in Le Bourget. Such a remarkable machine and 20 years on still in awe of it.


    Which was the better experience for viewing the Concorde?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    When I operated for EI we would have to make an announcement to warn the pax that Concorde was about to take off.

    I can remember being number 4 for takeoff behind it, our A321 shook and rattled as it passed us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭FR85


    Go onto Spotify or YouTube and search for Caption John Hutchinson, he flew it for 15 years and the man is fascinating to listen to, his passion for the aircraft hasn't dwindled with his age keeping in mind he retired from BA in the early 90's.

    He does lectures all around the place on his life, civil and military career and Concorde which I would love to catch. He also has a book called The Wind Beneath My Wings, again a brilliant read.

    Captain John Tye is another name to Google as he has done similar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭davepatr07


    Have to say The Museum of Flight in Seattle is well worth a visit, you get to see inside B707 JFK used as AF1 and also see the B747 prototype (but not go inside). I was based in Vancouver for 6 months at the time so took a trip on a Greyhound bus as a birthday present across the border and did the Boeing Factory tour as well. The BA concorde there had fairly long queues to go through it, Cockpit and passenger seats at the time were not accessible. Le Bourget is great too especially if you like anything to do with Space as well as aviation in general... For me I think Le Bourget pips it for the experience, you get to see and board 2 Concordes (Air France passenger version and a prototype test) which is a bonus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    If you're ever in New York city, you can get a tour of a BA Concorde at the Intrepid museum. I did it a few years ago, it was class!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Was on one at the Intrepid museum in NYC about a decade ago. Wonderful piece of engineering for its time. It'd be so cool if one could be restored to flying condition for exhibitions and the like. The cost would obviously be massive but they're a part of aviation history that should never be forgotten.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭FR85


    Need to check if it is still there, I saw recently it was lifted onto a barge and floated off down the Hudson for some maintenance. Not sure if it's back. I too did the tour, very cool indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    A quick Google says it's currently still off-site and won't be back on the Intrepid until Spring 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Astral Nav


    I was lucky enough to fly on it at M2. It wasn't claustrophobic, think a CRJ or 146/RJ cabin with great food and wine. It was for a 3.5 hour flight and most travelled light.

    There is a story of a socialite lady in London who wanted a specific box of chocolates flown from NY asap (possibly the other way). Concorde didn't do cargo do she bought a seat for the chocs. No idea if it's true.

    It's true end was when Airbus (the manufacturer successor) decided that it would no longer support parts. The French gave it a minimalist send off, in fairness the Brits did it proud.

    Bear in mind that 250 or so of its regular clients died on that terrible day in September 2001.

    A remarkable machine, designed not to be beautiful but to fly at Mach 2 and yet it was incredibly beautiful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,499 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Lucky to have an example in my local museum (Udvar-Hazy in Virginia).

    An incredible machine but I think the use case for it these days is limited given the accomodations in the newest gen aircraft and the fact you can stay connected from the US to Europe with the progression of inflight wifi quality, J pax accommodations and the composite aircraft helping with lower pressurization.

    I think its pretty incredible you can do US east coast to DUB in damn near 5hrs if the jetstream is cooperating.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    We would be in the departure queue on the taxiway parallel to the departure runway. (Usually RWY 27R after taxiing from the old 'green mile' on T1)

    Thus as it accelerates along the runway it would pass us at a distance of less than 200 metres.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,518 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There's no doubt there would have been a lot less fuss about the noise in the US back then if it'd been a Boeing.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    No doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭x567


    I was also one of the lucky ones. The thing that sticks in my mind even more than the excellent food, wine & service was, having contorted myself into a position where you could just about look out of the tiny window, just how deeply indigo blue the sky above was at 60,000-odd feet; and how you could see the slight curvature of the earth from that altitude. Amazing machine…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,841 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Oh wow. So jealous. Would loved to have got to fly it but born too late for that 😞 .


    I was only in my early 20s when that crash happened in 2000.

    Awe very good

    Oh wow. Jealous.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,518 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nitpick: it only held 100 passengers and it was a charter flight, so for most of them it was planned to be a once in a lifetime trip...

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I still regret not taking advantage of the special fare that BA offered to airline staff back before it retired.

    Concorde to JFK, home on a regular B747.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,888 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    IIRC this led to the 'longest' unofficial putt ever. apparently padraig harrington or one of the lads putted a ball into a cup down the entire length of the cabin, which means the ball probably travelled many kilometres in the process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yep remember reading that a lot of the passengers were just normal Joe soaps flying on it for the first time, which made it even more poignant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭pureza


    I also flew on it in 2002 back from jfk

    We were in the rear cabin which was quieter and also had the mach clock on the divider in front

    There was no difference between the cabins

    We were served afternoon tea with champagne

    The toilet was tiny,I had to crouch

    I also distintly remember 2 things,the blue hue of the curvature of the earth and the captain coming on not long out of jfk saying he was onto Irish Air traffic control already and updated our eta

    We boarded directly from the concorde lounge in jfk

    You could book or upgrade to concorde very easily with BA miles at the time,now known as avios

    It's a myth to say you had to be rich

    Not many paid the published prices for those flights or do today for first/business either nor a fraction of them



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 27,753 Mod ✭✭✭✭Posy


    I think @Astral Nav might have meant that a lot of Concorde frequent flyers were killed in the 9/11 attacks in September 2001. 🤔



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