Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

And the proof of that is that each and every time they murder a semi-naked Palestinian holding a white flag, they simply designate them retroactively as Hamas, thus achieving a 100% accuracy ratio of killing Hamas terrorists and 0 civilians

Your completely wrong. What Hamas did was evil but that doesn't mean Israel should get a licence to kill an unlimited number of civilians in pursuit of Hamas.

I didn't imply that it did.

They are both wrong in what they are doing. Why do you disagree with that?

Deaths ratio = 22:1

Hamas attack was a terrorist attack, the same way 9/11 was, same as the London bombings etc...

Hamas are not capable of committing a genocide on Israel. How many civilians have been killed by rocket attacks in Israel since Oct 7?

There is a difference between a one off mass terrorist attack vs an ongoing invasion which has killed close to 20k civilians. And 8k still under the rubble. The same ongoing invasion launched by the same government who have stated repeatedly that there won't be a Palestinian state, that's carrying out ethnic cleansing, that's starving Gaza etc...

Both sides talk the same talk, but if you can't see what Israel is doing, then there's no point in this discussion. Hamas are terrorists and need to be destroyed, but destroying Gaza and reclaiming the West Bank in the process is not the solution. You don't respond to war crimes or a terrorist attack with genocide. It's not proportionate and not self defense, especially against a civilian population you have under occupation for the past 15 odd years.

Everyone has the right to defend themselves against terrorists or anyone who wishes to harm them.

But in doing so, Israel is terrorising the civilian population. Well, the ones that aren't dead of course. Even the Pope called events in the last couple of days terrorist acts (by IDF).

Murdered journalists (war crime), women in a church killed by an IDF sniper, babies decomposing in an ICU because they couldn't be evacuated. Surrendering Israeli hostages. A cemetery bulldozed, schools blown up, water/food/medicines denied.

That's just a different way of describing the same thing.

My comments were in the context of friendly fire incidents and trigger happy troops.

Not the entire conflict as a generalisation. It seems like that because it was used as strawman.

That said fire a thousand rockets, drop a thousand bombs on civilians neither it's accidental.

I guess someone has to call out these terrible events for what they are and give some kind of voice to stopping the slaughter of innocents. If that's all it does, then so be it.

the . Some people see both sides and condemn both sides. Others only condemn Hamas and simply keep regurgitating the same line that Israel is defending itself. They appear to be incapable of compassion for civilians caught in the crossfire. The second the alternate view is expressed and that Israel is "terrorist" or committing "genocide", that view is shot down as anti Semitic.

The patience of many is wearing thin. Israel will be held to account when the relevant authorities investigate accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Pure evil is murdering innocent women and children by sniper fire.

Pure evil is murdering your own naked citizens waving white flags because they might instead be an Arab.

Pure evil is trying to rationalise war crimes being committed by a nation state

I agree with you. It needs a voice.

Israel created Hamas to counter Fatah and cause a split in Palestinian politics. Israel can't destroy Hamas. Hamas is an ideology facilitated by Israel maintaining Gaza as an open air concentration camp. Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. It has for decades illegally occupied increasing amounts of land in the West Bank. To say Israel is entitled to destroy Hamas is silly. It can't be destroyed.

Israel has condemned the people of Gaza to a horrific existence for decades treating them no better than animals. Are you really shocked that the horrible attacks on October 7th happened? The only thing Israel is entitled to is exist. It is not entitled to treat another ethnic group like animals. It is not entitled to a greater Israel as promoted by Likud's doctrine of from the river to the sea. It is not entitled to illegally occupy the land of another state ie Palestinian Territories. It is not entitled to deny an ethnic group the chance of economic prosperity on foreign soil.

The Palestinian people are entitled to a state of which Gaza is a part. Israel has no right to subjugate 2 million people depriving them any chance of economic prosperity. As I have repeated said here Israel treats Palestinians like the Nazi's treated Jews. The oppressed have become the oppressor. Their is no defending Israel. Their response to October 7 have been indiscriminate and disproportional. By so doing they have done possibly irreperrable damage to their international reputation and potentially put their statehood at risk.

You were describing a picture, a graphic. Someone gave an alternative definition of "pure evil" - and off you go again... One sided too - everything you say there about Israelis applies to the Palestinians.

I'll refer you back to the graphic based on UN data I posted earlier - 22:1 death ratio.

By the way, when I lived in Ashkelon, I regularly saw the Israeli Navy carrying out exercises just off shore. The tracer was like fireworks. I mentioned it to my Jewish friends. They explained (apologetically) that that was to terrorise those living in Gaza. And they added that the Israeli air force would regularly fly over Gaza, hit Mach 1 and break all the windows.

And my bomb shelter was my bedroom - I didn't have to run anywhere. God forbid the inconvenience of me having to get dressed.

It was rather inconvenient for the 10 year old in the West Bank who threw a stone "half the size of his palm". he was killed by the IDF. And yes, that is pure evil.