Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

"This may be a stupid question but why are the government and/or opposition parties scared to tackle immigration?"

I assume it affects their future EU job

Or they came from looking at videos of thousands of men landing on Italian islands in boats. Or the bus loads of men arriving in towns all over Ireland.

Fighting age you might have a point, but it is quite often literally random men that we can't identify that are arriving.

"far right", 100% came from the hard-left. Many Irish people with hard-left views about immigration, may not be even aware they are using hard-left tropes and buzzwords but they are..

We're at the stage now where "IrishPatriot2023" or whatever can be posting on Twitter with the tricolour beside his name but claiming to be merely a 'concerned citizen'. There are clear and obvious reasons behind this though - make it seem that far right and ultra nationalist opinions are in fact mainstream and the views of even the majority of the population.

This also ties into the narrative of the government, the Dáil and the mainstream media supposedly working against the interests of the Irish people.

Lets push for a plebiscite on this insanity (at the same time as the March referendum) - One big massive poll of the electorate as it were

Would you be ok with that?

Again you don't know your history.

The amount of ones that made it out of Warsaw Pact Europe, particularly out of likes of East Berlin/East Germany, were actually quite small in comparison to the current movement in a day in modern Europe.

You speak about how it can't be stopped.

One naval patrol sinking one migrant boat stops the movement across the Med dead in it's tracks.

And sooner or later it may come to this.

You speak about climate changes forcing people out of Africa and you make it sound like a fait complete that we in Europe will just have to take them all.

You don't appear to have ever studied human nature.

Humans when pushed will protect their own and when resources are scare they will fight for those resources.

It is part of human DNA ever since we start roaming out of the Rift Valley and is why neanderthals disappeared off the face of the planet millenia ago.

You seem to think people in Europe will just roll over Irish style and beggar themselves and their futures just like the Irish are doing right now.

People since time immemorial will fight to protect what they have when push comes to shove.

It aint some lovely dovey Hollywood movie where everyone will welcome the millions from an overpopulated continent and just screw themselves in the process.

Right wing leaders and regimes came into being in Europe a hundred years ago simply because ultimately it often came down to a choice between them and a communist regime that beggared anyone that had anything.

The added factors of a massive economic depression, and in Germany's case the draconian terms of a misguided treaty, aided the advancement of both the right and the communists.

Today it is becoming a choice between what was once considered the centre and the left who are selling out the native populations and a right which appears to want to hold on to our cultures and our countries.

We are an economic collapse, ala 2008, away from a wholesale move to the real right.

In Ireland's case an economic downturn will make it become abundantly clear for all to see the real cost of all these migrants/refugees.

There is no supposedly about it.

We've had Kitty Holland on BBC's The View a couple of weeks back censoring the statement from Aisling Murphy's boyfriend - her stance is fairly representative of the majority of Irish MSM.

The current government is allowing the housing crisis, healthcare, cost-of-living, increased stealth taxes, etc... all to deteriorate under their watch. So, yes - all of the above are working against the interests of the Irish people, and the above are very passionate about that fact.

In the next election we have to fill the Dail with independents. Keep ALL parties out of Leinster House. The consequences of letting any of the current political parties hold the levers of power far outweigh a Dail full of independents.

Big cities have gp's too

You'd be amazed how much I know about history. I did not compare the East Berlin escapees to current movements. I am saying we cannot build massive walls to stop migrations e.g. Russian border.

You are making huge assumptions on what I think above. There will be mass migrations, the obvious point is that the EU have no plan to stop it. It will be very difficult to stop it. EU will probably disintegrate over the issue. COP28 showed how little countries care about it.

You understate it. The pro-immigrationists have not just led sheltered lives, they are some of the most spoilt people who have ever lived.

They see all Ireland's resources and the country itself as a sort of giant honey pot to be gifted to grateful, teary-eyed third world peasants like in a Trocaire ad.

They don't understand that differences between peoples can be quite significant. For instance Indonesians have almost double the rate of schizophrenia as Australians - two countries that are next to each other geographically but very different otherwise.

Uzbeks, Somalis, Afghans etc. can have very unusual mental problems and attitudes.

The combination of moral vanity and self-willed ignorance has brought us to this point.

Yep you know at this stage I’d say you’re not far off.

On a micro level, the best option is to judge everyone you meet on the content of their character, but on a macro level you are 100% correct that groups of people are by their very nature, different to each other. I feel this neo-liberal, moral relativist position of “no one culture is better than any other, they are just different” and “we are all one human race” bollocksology is the pervading ideological drive for a lot of people nowadays who have never seen the realities of the types of cultures they want to cram Ireland full with, and believe me it’s policy makers too, not just a few naive college students.

Nah it isn't a massive wall, it is iron curtain style barbed wire fences, minefields, watch towers we are going to be looking at.

BTW it is great for wildlife as it provides a pathway for them ala the old iron curtain infrastructure so maybe the greens will be onboard.

And yes you are right the EU has no plan and it will ultimately be the end for it.

But it can be stopped if there is the will from political establishment.

The only thing is it might initially make the Israeli invasion of Gaza look tame.

The other thing that is most likely going to start happening is countries going down the route of Australia and keeping entrants basically in internment camps until they can be repatriated.

UK's Rwanda idea was almost akin to the old German Madagascar Plan. Something nearer home would be more feasible to dissuade people entering in the first place and a way of convincing others to leave.

Ultimately the solution to this is to solve the issues at source, that requires buy in from Western powers but also natives in Africa, Middle East and parts of Asia learning to run their own bloody countries properly.

The thing a lot of proponents of this current madness fail to seem to appreciate is that when you push a populace too far one direction the counter reaction will be even further in the opposite direction until eventually an equilibrium is reached.

Now you may say this is all far fetched Walter Mitty type stuff, but the alternative is the wholesale surrender of native Europeans and the end of European life as we know it.

Yes and these hard-to-bridge differences between peoples is (or rather was) solved by the fact that there are 195 separate countries in the world.

The Austro-Hungarian Empire was dismantled by Woodrow Wilson and Clemenceau so that all the individual nations contained within it would have their own nation-states.

The people in that locality(Oughterard/roscahill) resisted the Governments attempt to establish a Direct provision centre in 2019 in the village of Oughterard which is c.4 miles from Roscahill, it takes an amazing ammount of stupidity on behalf of the Dept of Integration to have another go or is it some type of payback?

The biggest political casualty the last time was Sen. Sean Kyne former government chief whip who lost his seat partly due to the DP controversy, looks like his reelection campaign will run into trouble over this debacle.He seems to get hobbled by someone in the department every time an election is coming around.

Looks like the department of Integration never learn, no consultation in 2019 and even more underhanded this time.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/locals-urged-to-take-direct-action-to-stop-oughterard-asylum-centre-1.4016500