Republic of Ireland Team 2023/24 [old thread]

Coaching and Managing are two different skills

Israeli league lol.

He's managing the top team in Israel. How can you judge him as such a competent manager capable of being the first team coach of a national side based on what he's currently doing?

As I said in the post you quoted, I'd want Keane to have a few years solid experience under his belt even if that was as an assistant. But he's only done a tiny stint as an assistant, and half a season as a manager. About 18 months in absolute total. I think he could well turn out to be a decent manager, but he's still the newbiest of newbs on that side of the game.

Anthony Barry meanwhile has 7 years experience in management as an assistant for some massive managers and clubs/countries. Their comparative levels of experience are vastly different. As I mentioned in an earlier post, we're likely looking at the two ends of the career spectrum - guys on the downslope, or guys on the up waiting for the big oppertunity. I'd put Anthony Barry in that second one, along with Eustace. McKenna has already moved past that out of our reach. Not saying he should be the pick, but he deserves to be in the conversation given how demonstrably highly rated he is (not sure he'd be interested though - I suspect he'll be looking to maybe take over from Tuchel or Martinez after one of their jobs).

Only 8 games into their league season, so I don't think we can say that he's really bucked the trend for stability yet - we all know how this works, and how quickly things can turn. I'd just want to see more than the briefest of snapshots before we put such huge responsibility on his shoulders.

The internet sure is a crazy spot, nobody from the last 12 hours is dismissing Robbie, he's doing well in Israel, brilliant let's hope it continues. Is he in the picture for the national gig as I type leaving the chrimbo party probably not, should Anthony Barry be on the same list with his all rounded experience yep let's have a go. Does the internet need a chill pill absolutely.

You are so wrong though

Is there a story behind why Birmingham sacked him. They say he "wasn't aligned with the culture of the club" which I assume means disagreeing about transfers or some issue with his personality.

People will see names like Chelsea and Bayern attached to Barry and fawn over him but he is completely untested.

Given the situation every manager will come with a bunch of cons so it won't rule either out.

Biggest problem is will the group the FAI pick to interview these guys have any clue what they are doing.

Ya they were doing quite well which is why I assumed there was more to the story.

Rooney looks to be emulating his buddies on the 00s English team with his managerial career.

Tuchel is after saying in a press conference there is no truth in it

Very hard to say an assistant failed. Their boss may have ultimately failed, while they themselves may have been great. The fact Bayern were content to pay a million pounds to buy him out of his Chelsea contract would suggest they, and Tuchel, were happy with his level of performance, and that Chelsea themselves valued him highly. As said though (and seems to be have been reiterated by Tuchel) it seems it's not something he's interested in.

That's still the style of appointment i'd be most interested in I think though, rather than the Allardyce/Hughton/Bruce/Warnock route... the more inexperienced guys have their own asterisks, but Carsley and Eustace are probably top of my list now I suppose. Lennon's the inbetweeny option who might also be ok.

If we're giving him blame for their issues while he was there, then do we have to give him credit for winning a Champions League? I think that direct connection should be quite tempered in either case, as an assistants job is simply to support their manager - and given that his managers keep wanting to work with him, I think it's hard to argue that he's been a failure. That's the metric I'd look at most for the role - a good assistant is one who people keep wanting to have on their team and rises to the top of the game, a bad one is someone that clubs/managers want rid of.

Another name I'm sure will come up now is Alex Neil, since he just got sacked at Stoke. Another very much 'mixed bag' guy, was alright at Norwich and PNE, great at Sunderland, but poor at Stoke. Would be down my list, but I suppose anyone around that level will be on the long-list.

Martinez I'm not big on alright, but Tuchel is near the top of the game. Maybe not the very top, but he's a good manager.

But again, Barry was at Chelsea during a period in which they sacked plenty of managers and assistants, and yet he was always kept on. So it's clear that the people he works for view him as adding value. I've never seen a negative thing said about him or his work thus far, so I think we kinda have to accept that he's a guy who's good at his job. We've also heard no end of players rave about him, most recently Daryl Horgan talking on Second Captains about how brilliant he was in the Ireland camp.

All a bit moot though, since it looks like nothing will come of it - his is a career i'm interested in following though, seems the sort who could really fly onto big things, or flame out totally. Seems to take on a hell of a workload!

Andrew Omobamidele with another 90 minutes sat on Forest's bench tonight. What an awful move that has turned out to be.

He's still very young for a CB too... there's not a lot of CBs playing regularly at the top level at 21.

To be honest it did once but soccer is so embedded now that I don't think senior teams success has much impact on playing numbers or money coming in. ROI is a big deal for sponsorship whether we qualify or not and our current money problems are way mor eto do with nobody trusting or wanting to be associated with the FAI.

We need to be paying a manager a good wage to get a top one but also need money for grassroots and the solution is not in giving money to one or the other but showing the FAI can actually cope with having money and be trusted with it.

I`d be happy with Coleman or Carsley. Coleman`s the only candidate who has been a successful senior international manager. Only cavaet being he had a world class player with Wales capable of a piece of magic in tight games.

I wouldn`t mind Carsley but I wouldn`t be convinced he`s going to usher in a golden age of qualifications. Realistically, we just want to be competitive in the next world cup qualifiers. It would surely be progress if we were in the mix for a play-off spot up until the latter end of the group even if we ultiimately failed to get one.

Lots of people were trying to tell the "get a Premier League manager" brigade that the choices would be depressing but it was shot down as being support for Kenny.

Eileen Gleeson has been named new permanent Ireland head coach.

Let's hope the results that she has managed, just keep on coming!