Farm payments 2023

dominatinMC · 16-12-2023 10:44am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502133#Comment_121502133

Well said. Imagine if the public servants, who issue these payments, were denied their pay for a month. There would be uproar, and no doubt the media would be all over it like a hot rash.

But when it's farmers, we're told to suck it up, on the basis that we'll get it "eventually".

893bet · 16-12-2023 10:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502262#Comment_121502262

If salary is for Friday and not paid till money due to bank error the media is awash with it.

Sami23 · 16-12-2023 12:29pm

SCEP in amounts due this morning

Lime Tree Farm · 16-12-2023 12:38pm

Same here, plus the Lime

Jb1989 · 16-12-2023 12:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502526#Comment_121502526

Same. Bigger amount than expected compared to bdgp from last year.

Is the weighing of calves paid in the scep amount though, or was it a separate payment.

Lime Tree Farm · 16-12-2023 12:54pm

Yes, you have to the weighing under SCEP

893bet · 16-12-2023 2:18pm

Scep showing due for me also.

Sami23 · 16-12-2023 2:50pm

Only one missing here now is ACRES so hoping that will arrive b4 Santa 🙏

Water John · 16-12-2023 3:03pm

Acres in account.

Siamsa Sessions · 16-12-2023 3:35pm

Got a message yesterday to say the last of the entitlements I bought have been transferred to me. I’m guessing it’ll be the new year before I get the payment.

Have 15.5 entitlements now, all bought at different times since 2019 for approx. 2.2 times the value. Had a big fat zero for direct payments before that.

Probably the best investment I’ve made from the finance point of view.

woody84 · 16-12-2023 5:39pm

I've only received the 1st eco payment, no biss, criss or anc yet. Anyone else in the same boat?

eire23 · 16-12-2023 6:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121503494#Comment_121503494

No eco, anc here yet. Got 100% biss and cross in one go.

grass10 · 16-12-2023 8:30pm

Lime money only no biss,criss,eco,anc yet

TheClubMan · 16-12-2023 8:47pm

Is the BISS payment made up of a number of different schemes?

TheClubMan · 16-12-2023 8:48pm

Has anyone received a liming payment having only submitted an application with a receipt while waiting for an invoice?

sonnybill · 16-12-2023 9:23pm

I see Penalties already for data collection already , had all calves info etc , udder score, teat score and feet and legs score is some balls “yes she has teats , she has four legs and mothering ability she lets the calf suck each year !!”

TCDStudent1 · 16-12-2023 9:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502133#Comment_121502133

This is my first year actively farming since farm transferred from my father and I couldn't believe the situation regarding payments. I never really took much notice of when they came in before as he dealt with them. But like, how can you plan anything? I naively assumed that the payments always came in on the date they were due - that you would be told payment X will be paid on 1st December and it comes in on this date. It just makes it so hard to plan anything.... I wouldnt like to be relying on them as my principle sour of income.

Water John · 16-12-2023 9:36pm

Plan that you'll have most of them by the 1st Jan. That may mean having a draft facility in place.

Packrat · 16-12-2023 10:03pm

A fairly astute individual I know told me his strategy for payments recently. Now bear in mind he's one of the few people I know who actually makes money from his sheep.

This is it:

Draw all Basic schemes.

New scheme comes out:

His Advisor: "Are you going in for that"?

Him: "Do I have to do anything for it"?

Advisor: "Yes plant 🌳 or fence whatever"

Him: "Then No."

OR

Advisor: "Not a thing more than what you're already at"

Him: "Then Yes, put me in for it.

It's no bad strategy because by the time the hidden costs of all these additional schemes are added up there isn't much only annoyance out of some of them.

SCEP with a small herd would be a good example.

Acres NPIs unless you're trying to improve the look of the place anyway would be another.

OrangeBadger · 17-12-2023 12:55am

No eco/Acres this year but don't worry guys got the 830 euro bill from the farm advisor for setting up the acres crap

Donald Trump · 17-12-2023 1:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504347#Comment_121504347

Well the only issue with that approach is that he could miss out on some schemes he would have easily done if he was already in the first scheme he decided not to do.

tikka16751 · 17-12-2023 1:16am

Stay out of all schemes. Only digging your own grave, I’ve wore the shirt.

Dunedin · 17-12-2023 8:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504839#Comment_121504839

I’d say go into every single scheme going. Farming is not profitable enough to ignore anything and judging from the comments here in regard to people waiting for payment, a lot of people very dependent on them.

Packrat · 17-12-2023 9:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504830#Comment_121504830

Yeah, it wouldn't be my approach. I got caught like that before.

It shows you need to read the schemes yourself and understand them as best you can. I ring my advisor 20 times a year to ask about details of upcoming schemes as well as reading everything.

There is some easy money but there's other stuff that's nothing only a headwereck.

50HX · 17-12-2023 9:25am

What dies an acres payment show on agfood as?

Is it Eco scheme or Acres, I assume the latter

Water John · 17-12-2023 10:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121505118#Comment_121505118

Absolutely correct. It applies to everything. Whatever your approaching, succession, legal issue, business opportunity, you need to study the subject in detail, as it pertains to you. Do not solely, rely on any 'expert'. What they are offering is their opinion based on their knowledge, which often isn't substantially more than yours. Having taken everything on board, it's your decision at the end of the day.

893bet · 17-12-2023 11:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121504839#Comment_121504839

Tell us more? What happened?

Do you not claim any of the below?

Single farm payment (now known as Biss, criss and eco)

Anc (disadvantage area)

Acres (Glas, reps)

Scep

Nbws/ndws

fodder support

Sheep scheme

lime scheme

organics

Rusheseverywhere · 17-12-2023 3:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121505380#Comment_121505380

I am in all of those apart from sheep and of all those schemes only ones paid to date anc and biss. Joke of a system if you were a bigger farmer and making money out of it the schemes are a waste of time. Plenty hidden costs too. Take organic worth 20k to me but extra straw, meal and shed requirements worth little enough. Also land quality and fertility goes down in organics. only thing was meant to be guarenteed money.

Silverdream · 17-12-2023 5:36pm

Suckler Carbon Efficiency Programme showing up for payment now

893bet · 17-12-2023 6:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121506109#Comment_121506109

I am in most and I am paid on all. But that’s half the problem. Some paid, some not, no one any idea what’s going on.

I think the payments are very easy money for the most part.

endainoz · 17-12-2023 7:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121506788#Comment_121506788

Yeah they are for sure, all about what suits ones system. Organics payment for me far exceeds any inputs, fertility in soil is just something that has to be looked at in a different way.

kelslat · 18-12-2023 2:23pm

Is Acres General payments still going out? or if you didn't get it by now, it won't be paid till February.

dmakc · 18-12-2023 4:14pm

Any word on the YTF National Reserve?

kerrysoul · 18-12-2023 4:24pm

If you didn't get your ACRES payment, it probably means that there is some minor issue holding things up. Contact DAFM acres section and leave a message and they should let you know what the hold up is. If there is an issue that can be sorted quickly, then payment should follow straight away. Send a query to

Acres@agriculture.gov.ie

kelslat · 18-12-2023 5:42pm

I managed to get them on the phone. There's a computer error showing up. It won't be sorted till the new year.

Sami23 · 18-12-2023 5:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510921#Comment_121510921

What's the best number to get through to Acres section ?

mr.stonewall · 18-12-2023 7:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510595#Comment_121510595

In acres general and emailed. A mapping issue that requires no action from me was the reply. I wonder how many others are in the same boat.

kelslat · 18-12-2023 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121510943#Comment_121510943

I rang 053 9163425. You can also email them if you want.

garlic bread · 18-12-2023 7:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511285#Comment_121511285

Also emailed and got same response. Some issue with maps which did not need action from me and payment would follow soon. I found that odd that there was an issue but no action needed from myself or agri advisor. Wondering if its just an excuse given to cover up for delays?

mr.stonewall · 18-12-2023 7:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511316#Comment_121511316

I wonder was it worded the exact same as this

"Your payment did not issue in the first payment run due to a mapping issue. We require no further action from you. A payment will issue once we resolve the issue."

More like a cya statement. DAFM have been inept this year, with so many schemes

kerrysoul · 18-12-2023 7:49pm

I got a similar email re non payment of ACRES. Some discrepancy between BISS 2023 and Glam which they admit is a fault with their mapping software. It will be resolved entirely by their staff, no intervention needed from me or my advisor. Did say that payment will happen as soon as issue is fixed, however wouldn't give me a timeline on when it will be sorted. I will email again in 2 days time if I don't hear back from them. I must admit that they were prompt in replying to my emails.

Tileman · 18-12-2023 7:56pm

Is anybody else waiting on fodder support balance still?

garlic bread · 18-12-2023 8:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511439#Comment_121511439

Yes, very quick reply. Was within the hour in my case.

kevthegaff · 18-12-2023 8:48pm

In fairness they got back to me quickly after an email last week, we had to sign a transfer and sent it to them Friday. Got an email this morning with text today so hopefully sorted.

kelslat · 19-12-2023 12:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121511336#Comment_121511336

Same issue here. Same wording used!

Sami23 · 19-12-2023 10:53am

Response I received this morning:

Your payment did not issue in the first pay run because of an issue on our side with the late meadow bonus claim. We require no further action from you and once we have this resolved payment will issue.

Kind Regards,

ACRES

Also confirmation received that THERE WILL BE NO MORE PAYMENT RUNS BEFORE CHRISTMAS ☹️

kevthegaff · 19-12-2023 3:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121513189#Comment_121513189

Much de same for me

woody84 · 19-12-2023 5:04pm

Finally, Biss/Criss 100% payment in amounts due today. Still waiting on Anc and the rest of Eco payment, but it's a start

Tileman · 19-12-2023 7:11pm

Got the balance of fodder sceme today. But hot water boiler burst today and had to be replaced so in one hand and out the other.

mr.stonewall · 19-12-2023 7:52pm

Just wondering did the payment for red clover issue

Farm payments 2023

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