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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    The people with no TV will have to pay. I'm quite surprised more people are not angry about this. The one good aspect of the current model is that you can legally walk away from paying RTE salaries though the somewhat drastic action of getting rid of your TV. This final legal option is being removed.

    It is really the only thing holding RTE accountable; the idea that if they mess up really bad, people can walk away from them. When this option is finally removed, we can expect more scandals like the Tubridy payments scandal. RTE will become a bit like the HSE, a perpetual failure but one where top salaries are paid out year after year regardless of failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is a serious problem with no easy solution. The "broadcast" tax has been floated for decades by whichever government was in power. The problem for broadcasters like RTE is that their market shares have been falling continually and the way that people "consume" media has changed. Originally, RTE had the Irish TV market to itself and there was minimal competition from the UK and NI channels. Along comes cable TV in the 1970s and the figures begin to drop. The cost of television sets remained quite high so most homes didn't have two TVs. Then the costs of the TVs started to fall in the 1980s and families began to buy second TVs for the kids. The kids didn't want to watch RTE. Satellite TV kicked in towards the end of the 1980s and began to be carried on the cable TV networks so it was more competition for RTE.

    The radio side of things for RTE was even worse. In the 1970s, the Pirate Radio stations started up and almost every town in Ireland had at least one pirate radio station and people listened to them instead of RTE. To try to deal with the problem, RTE launched 2FM and it was, for a while, popular. The FF local radio legislation nearly killed off a whole industry. Some RTE DJs proved that they could survive in commercial radio. Could Tubridy have survived in such a competitive environment? No. As soon as he got Gerry Ryan's slot (G Ryan being one of a kind), the slot lost about 40% of its audience. The way that Irish broadcasters weren't falling over themselves trying to get Tubridy with huge salaries showed how screwed up RTE really was in terms of both management and salaries.

    The big problem with a "broadcast" tax is that it is unfair and is not based on consumption. Someone with no TV would have to pay it and someone who has no radio would also have to pay it. There's no feedback system in it that would allow for consumption of media to be measured. (It might be possible with Virgin's cable network but that would create a lot of privacy problems.) The way that TV and radio audiences are guesstimated have their own problems. If Tubridy was as popular as the RTE/NKM propaganda claimed, the audience for the radio slot should have dropped like a stone after he was removed. It didn't.

    There are two possibilities for that. The first is that the way that audiences are measured is not accurate. The second is that many people don't so much listen to radio as are subjected to it as a background noise. Someone on a bus trip might be considered a "listener" but they have no control over the choice of station. That's generally up to the bus driver.

    The FFG government already has a lot of problems and a backlash against a broadcast tax would probably equal that of the protests against the Water Tax. RTE's credibility and that of its management was destroyed this year. At this stage very few people would want to pay to keep people like Tubridy paid the salaries that they had come to expect. The licence fee revenue was down 20 million Euro this year according to an article in the Indo. People may not want to pay the licence fee in 2024. The upside for Tubridy fans is that they will be able to listen to him in January without having to contribute to his salary.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Just to add on the radio side of things for those who may not be aware. Pirate radio in Ireland especially during the 1980s was a major thorn in the side for RTE. Referring just to the Dublin area alone, Dublin's 'superpirates' were considered to be such a threat that RTE commenced an STL (studio to transmitter link) jamming campaign during the mid 1980s in an effort to put them off the air. By the mid to late 1980s both of Dublin's 'superpirates' had introduced highly aggressive American CHR type music formats that were essentially destroying Radio 2 (2FM) listenership figures particularly in the 15-34 age group.

    By 1988, 2FM found it very difficult to compete in the Dublin area, hence the introduction of The Gerry Ryan Show. They basically had to create a 3 hour talk show and put it on what is or what was regarded as a music station. With local radio legislation coming around the corner, the 'superpirates' were informed that they needed to be off the air by December 31st of that year. From January 1989 until the end of July, RTE had the best opportunity to grow the listenership figures of The Gerry Ryan Show and 2FM as there was nothing but static from 96Mhz to 108Mhz on FM. For the radio listener there was very little choice!

    In those days, what if it was Ryan Tubridy and not Gerry Ryan? I think 2FM would have been facing a more onerous situation. Gerry Ryan and that particular show (although I was not a listener) did have the capacity to engage effectively with its target audience albeit a general age group that the radio station was not supposedly designed for. I don't think Ryan Tubridy would have been able to relate to that listener on the same level and 2FM's shortcomings would have become apparent much sooner.

    As far as Ryan Tubridy and his new radio show on Virgin/Q102 is concerned, I have a wait and see approach. But if anything I think it should be, hmm, interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭lumphammer2



    Brought to you by paying your TV licence .... Ryan Tubridy is James Bond .... in ....

    Goldenflipflop

    [Fake] Starmaker

    Octotubbers

    The Living Late Late Nights

    Goldenboy

    Starring:

    Ryan Tubridy as James Bond

    Dee Forbes as M

    Joanne McNally as Octotubbers

    Kevin Backhurst as Blofeld

    Pat Kenny as Robosecretagent

    Donald Trump as Goldfinger and Brad Whitaker

    Gemma O'Doherty as Fatima Blush

    John Waters as Dr NosuchthingasCovid

    Doireann Garrihy as Q

    Baz Ashmawy as Kamal Khan

    Enoch Burke as Hugo Drax


    Title songs sung by Imelda May

    Produced, written and directed by Noel Kelly

    Do not expect any invisible cars only Renaults not paid for ....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    So the government intents to ride rough shod over the public and insist by legislation that people pay for tv and radio they may never watch or listen to.

    Will the public allow this to happen?

    Are we losing any possible backbone we might have been born with?

    Rte /gov are going to step up their campaign in the new year to "remind" people that the tv licence is payable by law. Then they're going to work on getting revenue to do their dirty work and attempt to get another tax from us to support an organisation that has proved untrustworthy and wasteful and fairly full of their own importance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Ah now Sunny, I think you've very far into the Christmas "Spirits" at this point.

    RTÉ have always put Fair City above all other drama (and comedy) over the years. It gets €15m for its production every year, and its actors as we have found out are very well paid.

    RTÉ have also slashed and burned across their budgets over the last 10 years in the hope that people might notice the difference in their output, it never worked and people didn't notice. 75% cut to young people's programming, minimal spend to Independent Drama amounting to just under €7m in 2022 (and I am being generous with that figure), comedy development is a huge issue and always has been for RTÉ and so on.

    RTÉ's 10 priorities have always been: -

    1. At least pretend we are tackling wages and staffing levels
    2. Fair City as Drama
    3. 2FM for the Yuff
    4. Management wages
    5. Management expenses
    6. Management Cars
    7. Summer Holidays
    8. Playing the poor man for TV license increases
    9. Suggesting that RTÉ out performs in comparison their counterparts in Europe on the budgets they have
    10. Suggesting that RTÉ is public service media and must be funded correctly into the future

    Fair City was a serious attempt to compete with the UK soap operas in the 1980s and 1990s. But that was all it was an attempt to compete.

    I'd rather by cynical than naïve.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭hawley


    He did, however, described the morning of the committee meeting “like Christmas morning flipped. I’ll say something serious about that. I got a taxi in and we were driving along – just me, I was on my own,” he said, telling how they passed the front gates of St Michael’s College in Dublin, where there were flowers left outside the gate in tribute to students Andrew O’Donnell and Max Wall who died earlier this summer while on holiday in Ios.

    "I looked at those, they were 18-year-old boys and I thought to myself in the back of that car, you know, having spent a few hours feeling a little sorry for myself and I thought: ‘My life is interrupted and those families’ lives are destroyed. Now, you cop yourself on, you’re going in to tell the story, you’re going in to tell them everything you know and then you’re going home. Think about that.’

    "And that was a very good pep talk because I didn’t know the families, I knew a lot of people that did go to Ios and Greece and that all came home and that’s humbling in the extreme.

    "I don’t know if those families have any relatives listening to your podcast, they probably do and I hope they’re doing okay. That’s what I’d say on that, that’s an important thing to say. In the middle of all this, that really did put manners on me.”

    He told how Sinéad O’Connor rang him during that time and offered him a room in her London flat “to get away from it all”, adding: “She said, ‘You’ve been mugged by God in a hoodie.’”

    Don't know why he decided to bring these events into the discussion about losing his job. Does he realise that most people don't feel the slightest bit sorry for him? He's a privileged, multi millionaire who lost his job through his own greed. He still doesn't get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,937 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    So he chose to leave because he wasn't feeling it anymore.

    Nothing to do with the payment scandals or RTE not renewing his contract.

    "I was so happy I chose to go when I did," Ryan said on the podcast.


    "It was a little earlier than I was contractually obliged to go but I knew in my heart [the time was right]."


    "I heard before from certain presenters that 'if you’re not feeling it, don’t stick around.' And I started to not feel it.


    "If I stuck around for another season, it would have been unfair to the team, to the viewers, [and] to myself.


    "I was just out of juice," he continued. "[Presenting during] COVID whacked me. It just took so much out of me… the feeling was either we’re going off the air, or take on the virus."



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Jeepers when you think of all the workers who had to work in public facing jobs, obviously healthcare staff but also people in shops and so on, during the pandemic, and this tulip wants sympathy for being in a studio for an hour or two. 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Seems that we are also bad eggs as we were critical of him during the Oireachtas hearings, a time when his own mother was ill.

    I mean the guy is so out of touch, as are so many of the rest of the pack in there.

    Host Doireann Garrihy admitted she asked him to return to the podcast as "Christmas wouldn’t be Christmas without hearing from Ryan Tubridy”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,937 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    These presenters are deluded and live in a delusion world.

    Then again they are deluded because some people actually listen to them and follow them on social media which funds their delusion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    This popped up on my Facebook feed earlier. I don't know what's worse, the article or the many "Good luck Ryan, you deserve every happiness and success" comments. Some people really are complete idiots.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/people/arid-41292538.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    One Noel Kelly client interviews another Noel Kelly client, and spend the whole time licking each others holes.

    Who listens to this shite?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,086 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    “The future is so bright now, but I couldn't see that for a little while there recently and gosh, it was difficult,” he said, adding how many offers of work he has had since.

    “Especially in the UK, the offers started to roll in. I mean, they rolled in here but when you've done the Late Late Show, it's hard to go anywhere else in Ireland and I don't mean that disrespectfully."


    If I was a betting man, I'd say that's a lie. He took one of the 1st offers he got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,086 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Wonder did he keep the receipt for that 'top of the range mixing desk' he bought to launch his own podcast?



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    He is lying for sure, but still found the opportunity to have another dig at Ireland as well. If they were "rolling in", I'd love to know where they came from, since he chose a radio station with a tiny market share.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    He'd chew stones before he'd admit to be shoved out the door and we all know it.

    He's that type.of arrogant boll@cks that will never admit to making a mistake or an error of judgement.

    He's probably got a future in politics when his radio show, starting Jan 2nd btw brought forward due to demand😁(sarcasm) , bombs me thinks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭tom23


    Garrihy literally stealing a living



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    I don't know if this has been reported on this thread yet, but his show on Virgin/Q102 has now been brought forward to 2nd of January.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    Host Doireann Garrihy admitted she asked him to return to the podcast as "Christmas wouldn’t be Christmas without hearing from Ryan Tubridy






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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭tom23


    i swear to god these people are living in a alternate universe…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭hawley


    Funny how he says that the deaths of those boys in Greece gave him perspective. He never showed any perspective in relation to his privileged circumstances against the majority of people when RTE looked for a salary cut from him. Instead he ended up dragging the whole organisation down with him. Not an ounce of decency or sincerity. He says that he told the truth in front of the Oireachtas committee. Who does he think he's kidding?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭hawley


    Did you ever think that those families might not want to be dragged into your petty games and justifications?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    All disingenuous crap. It's so transparent....

    I thought of the kids and their poor parents - TICK

    My poor mother in hospital, who thought about her? - TICK

    I'm so happy now, all that old smalltime Irish shíte is behind me. I'm movin on up baby! - TICK

    If I had to write a Tubs parody of that Doireann G interview, I'd insert the very same stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Absolutely no cop on to not use someone's tragedy to get a few inches in a rag



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭tom23


    The man feeds of tradegy. Like a vampire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    I'll be tuning in at 10am on the 4th. Have to see this trainwreck happen in real time!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭tom23


    wouldn’t give him the steam of my piss. Nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭Karppi


    spend the whole time licking each others holes

    An anus horribilis, for sure 🤢



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Doireann is using it, clearly. She might have had it moved to her boat, though



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Is that not dangerous though? I mean, we all want to tune in for reasons of curiosity, but why would you want to help his ratings?

    I'm still genuinely curious about how the show is going to work, though. with both a UK and Dublin regional audience. If he talks about UK issues, as an example, the big story today in UK papers is Michelle Mone and her dodgy PPE, someone in Dublin isn't going to be too bothered about that. Conversely, if he talks about Irish issues, they're not going to be gripped in Wimbledon, Dundee or Exeter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭jmcc


    You might have missed it. Apparently it is starting on the 2nd of January.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    She's right. I didn't put up a Christmas tree, didn't listen to any Christmas songs, didn't send cards, shredded the cards I received and didn't order any turkey. I just couldn't bare to without Ryan's voice on the radio to accompany me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    It won't be though. It'll be dull competent bland wallpaper pop radio, barely distinguisahable from 20 other shows going out across Britain & Ireland at that time of the morning...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    What idiot in RTE thought/decided that Garrihy had talent?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Isn't she, in the words of Hyacinth Bucket, "well-connected?" I think I've heard that she is Ian Dempsey's niece or goddaughter or something like that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,540 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Her Godfather, or close friends of his still in RTE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Tune in first day and never listen again would show nobody wants to listen to him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,086 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    'They' don't know you are listening to it. You won't be counted as a listener.

    That's now how they generate listenership figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Surely he'll be going into it with the midset that he's broadcasting to a UK audience and will be careful to explain any even vaguely obscure Irish references. I mean that's the main gig isn't it? Even if Q102 dropped him after 6 months that wouldn't matter much to him would it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,692 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Sure not from DAB, but they will know from all the other ways to listen



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I imagine his ego would be quite damaged by being dropped in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Sure but in terms of salary, career path etc. I'm assuming it's a minor sideline...



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    Normally the radio station programming director would be tasked with that kind of responsibility, but with 2FM???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    So Tubridy is now saying the RTE scandal was the best thing to happen to him? Tell that to the 400 staff about to be laid off. Not an ounce of remorse from him, poor me, everyone else's fault, etc etc.

    Also saying he always wanted to try radio in the UK, after previously saying he never wanted to leave Ireland again, UK radio was a tough gig and so on.

    He's only over there because he was ran out of RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    He did seem to be desperate to get back in to RTE but I'd say he's genuinely glad now at how things have worked out, even if he's on a fraction of the salary. It just seems like the right move for him on every level.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I don't know about on "every level".

    He's said many times he's a home bird.

    He has 3 children, admittedly grown up, but he's not at the end of the road from them any more.

    He's 50 and moving to London. A young man's city. Especially socially.

    It's an expensive city.

    He'd have found it hard to get an outright gig on Irish radio with comparable salary so professionally London is an OK move: it's a job. But personally and socially it's hardly The Dream move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321



    It will be interesting to see how it plays out for him. He tried it before and it didn't really work out. I can't see his "shtick" transferring over there, ie Irish-America, JFK, Democratic politics, reading from the paper, Toyshow, and a fair dollap of Paddy Whackery. He really will have to reinvent himself.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Agreed.

    If he wanted or had any real ambition (at all) to spread his wings, he would have done it before this. If I remember correctly, he wasn't much of a hit when he stood in briefly for Graham Norton on radio. He is lucky to get this job, imo. Whether he realises that or not.

    I like Q102, it's easy background listening when I am at home. But I didn't listen to Tubridy when he was on RTE so I won't be listening to him on there either.

    And at the end of the day, if he and his agent weren't so goddam greedy, he would still be waffling away on RTE, and pocketing a humongous salary. No move to London required. 🤷‍♀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    He's 50 and moving to London.

    Isn't this what so many middle-aged men long for though, throw everything up and start again? But they have so many obligations they can't bring themselves to take the plunge. And Tubridy surely wouldn't either if his hand hadn't been forced.

    And given Chris Evans seems to have his back in a big way it's probably not such a big gamble. Worst case scenario if he doesn't work out in the mid-morning slot he'll find himself




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