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I'm not in agreement they should be included in women's sport I'm uncertain how to treat people who have had full sex change operations as regards female only areas as I think it would be dangerous for someone who looks like a woman to be using men's toilet facilities. Perhaps a third gender area could be set aside.

As I have repeatedly said I have read nothing on why there is an increase so have no idea. Could be more people have knowledge of condition, more doctors involved in diasagnosimg, better diagnosis techniques or as you have said it is more popular. But to come down on one reason without doing any research is just to show an inherent bias.

Medical professions believe a sex change operation is the correct treatment in some cases is all I know

My opinion on the correct course of treatment doesn't matter as I have not studied in that area. I don't give my opinions on medical matters or the correct form of treatment in general as I have no background in the profession.

No that's not what I asked. You said that YOU don't believe that being transgender is a disorder, but that YOU also believe that people who say they are transgender should be able to have sex change surgery.

You CLAIM that "the medical profession agrees" with you, but that isn't actually true. Some do, not all - and are they the same ones who also think transgender people need surgery? Maybe not. We know there's disagreement within the medical profession.

If you have a link to a scientific document where this particular inconsistency has been studied and explained, I'd be very interested to read it. If not, we're left just with your claim to believe these two incompatible things, and I'm asking you how you square those two opinions please?

Also, are there any other instances in medicine where people with nothing wrong with them are considered to need (ie taxpayer-funded) surgery? Because TBH that sounds unlikely to me. For instance, I feel I really need a breast lift: pregnancies and gravity have played havoc with them. In fact I can show any doctor exactly what's wrong compared to the breasts I had at 20. So, unlike gender dysphoria, they don't even need to take my word for it.

So can I rock up to a hospital and get that done for free do you think?

Sure, if you like. Thanks for confirming that it's just you that believes that civil, adult discussion constitutes hate speech, playing that tired old victim card again.

Have you tried speaking to any trans people, or reading their articles or books, or listening to their interviews - doing some basic research really? One that I know was beaten and threatened with rape by his father, at around age 12 or 13. So he hid his trans status, did the traditional thing of getting married, having kids, and is now going through hormone treatment as a trans woman. I'm sure you'll find other examples too.

How will the find the few that are without malice though?

And yet, your commentary suggests otherwise.

Is this the old 'autism must be exploding because we're diagnosing more people with autism' theory? If you enable more people to get diagnosed, you get more people diagnosed.

If you create a safe space for trans kids to speak up about their status, you get more people presenting. It's not rocket science.

Self ID for trans people came in under the 2015 Act. It's been part of life in Ireland, quietly being used by a tiny number of people, causing no fuss and drama, until we decided to import this UK culture war, probably funded by US far right interests.

You need doctors for any medical support - hormone therapy, access to surgery, possibly even therapy.

How do we know they exist if we don't know who they are?

The irony is that the anti-trans hysteria and social contagion is an imported culture war, probably influenced by US-based far right funding, bringing along some local 'useful idiots' in the tide.

Self ID for trans people came in under the 2015 Act. It's been part of life in Ireland, quietly being used by a tiny number of people, causing no fuss and drama, until we decided to import this UK culture war, probably funded by US far right interests.

You need doctors for any medical support - hormone therapy, access to surgery, possibly even therapy.

It's always funny to see the sudden interest in women's sports from those who never gave a toss about funding or facilities or media coverage or any other aspect of women's sports, until it became an opportunity to have a kick at some vulnerable people.

Likewise the sudden interest in women's prison from those who never gave a toss about conditions in women's prisons, and the sudden interest in 'keeping women safe'. As Marie Cassidy pointed out recently, the man that women need to worry about is most likely the one they share the bed with - but let's keep hyping up this fictional bogeyman (bogeywoman perhaps) about trans people.

How do you measure comorbidities of undiagnosed conditions?

You're at least a decade behind on how the health service works.

If you only believe in male and female genders and you also don't believe that people can change gender or sex, then, in your opinion, what is a trans woman?

From your previous statements, it seems that they can only be a man? Of course you cant say that as you will be called a transphobe and probably banned from the thread, but I genuinely dont see another option, based on your previous statements?

It seems you have disapproved your point then regarding censorship of opinions or bans for having certain types of opinions. I think boards allows a respectful trans debate but you can see that some posters can't act that way and get banned.

I would agree with your first belief but im not sure what you are saying with your second. Also your analogy of the giraffe and elephant makes my head hurt so I will leave it there.

You've an unusual sense of humour.

Would you care to give your opinion on the answers to the questions raised from your perspective?

So the questions aren't legitimate because:

"It's always funny to see the sudden interest in women's sports from those who never gave a toss about funding or facilities or media coverage or any other aspect of women's sports, until it became an opportunity to have a kick at some vulnerable people.

Likewise the sudden interest in women's prison from those who never gave a toss about conditions in women's prisons, and the sudden interest in 'keeping women safe'. As Marie Cassidy pointed out recently, the man that women need to worry about is most likely the one they share the bed with - but let's keep hyping up this fictional bogeyman (bogeywoman perhaps) about trans people."

You are suggesting I have no interest in womens sport outside of trying to kick vulnerable people? The irony alone in that piece of logic in the context of the question is as high as it gets.

Your attitude towards genuine debate on this topic is astounding.

If you were involved in womens sports, you'd have a good idea about what's happening in your own sports, and what measures are being taken to manage trans participation, instead of coming up with pretend intractable questions that seemingly require inputs from the lads on Boards to be addressed.

JFC, can you see the context. I said that the people asking these questions about womens sports didn't give a toss about womens sports, just like the people asking the questions about womens prisons didn't give a toss about womens prisons. It's a manufactured, imported argument.

I didn't ask what was happening in women's sports to manage trans participation or indeed ask specifically about any one sport.

They are very real and legitimate questions.

And again, the irony of you stating I am trying to kick vulnerable people when we all know who the vulnerable people are in contact sports or indeed physical interactions between biological men and biological women.

Your logic here is essentially saying that because I am not trans I should have no interest in this topic. An absolutely ridiculous standpoint to take.

So there are no female sports persons who are concerned about trans women in their sports?

Thats such a nothing argument.

So I can't be concerned for anyone or anything unless I have direct, personal experience of the issue?

It seems that if he doesn't like them they are illegitimate.

Can you answer this? I'm going to presume your gender as male going by the name.

Why do you think you or any man has any right to push for the blurring of boundaries in female safe spaces/refuges/sports etc?

We men should be shifting over and be ok sharing spaces with trans-women. It's not our right to ask women to make space. It's Male supremacy.

I will go out on a limb here and say that just allowing someone to head off for gender surgery just because they've decided to want to be the opposite gender is.so far past stupid it beggers belief.

First off..two genders - male and female. No inbetween. No one day I'm this and the next day I'm that.. nonsense.

If someone is truly unhappy with their gender then they need proper assessment from a fully licenced professional who is without an agenda.

Then they need to be over 18.

Then an as adult if they decide at some time in the future that the gender they have changed to is not for them then they have to realise that the decision they made was theirs and welcome to the real world.

Bollíx, some of the most passionate drivers of women's sport are "biological men".

Go to any GAA ground or football ground and see who it is taking the coaching and training.

You just sound like you have an illogical fear of everyone you don't know.

but no-one gets reassignment surgery before they're 18. And even then it takes years of treatment before they get to that stage. Reassignment surgery is the very last resort.

The problem is that it's incredibly hard to get any treatment in Ireland. From the moment a person thinks they might be trans to the point where they get gender reassignment surgery is far too long. And it's excruciatingly hard to get from all the services.

I'm sure we both agree that there should be rigor in the services, but the services themselves shouldn't be hard to get and there shouldn't be years long waiting lists at each stage.

Its the usual smoke and mirrors from this section tbh, oh you didn't care about biological men competing against women or being in female only spaces until trans people started doing this, ergo you are transphobic. I've said it before in other threads, the entire notion is built on a house of cards and does not hold up to any form of logical scrutiny but anyone that dares to raise an eyebrow is a transphobe, a TERF or wants to see trans people no longer exist / deny their existence, its such bad faith arguments and they have to keep coming back to it because there is literally nothing else for them to cling on to.

Once more

What sports at professional or elite level are trans people cleaning up in?

Where is this fear coming from?