Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Ah, I see you’ve segued from racism to religion, via colonialism. Where next, I wonder? Public School education? Shakespearian sonnets? The Crusades?

Harry made his bed, but he doesn’t like lying in it. He’s consumed by upset and jealousy, lashing out at his family, turbo charged by Meghan chirping in his ears. As I see it, he’s got a point about illegal press invasion. But part of the solution might be to stop courting publicity with multiple black Suburbans with blacked out windows to ferry H&M 300 yards, faux videos about their one hour per week work with Archewell, word-salad meaningless mumblings, private jet flights whilst boning on about the environment etc

But missing out on a sausage 30 years ago doesn’t mean he has been mistreated by his family.

He would probably still moan if he had a 4 poster bed made from the finest oak and handcrafted by Sir Christopher Wren, but still smaller than William's bed.

She set up a trust for her great grand children before she died (a way of avoiding tax). According to this, she owned 14 million. Seemingly she drank Krug Champagne and bought a lot of paintings and race horses over her lifetime!

https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/01/05/Queen-Mum-died-owing-millions/38721199554609/

So maybe there were not that millions to go to her great grand children!

Interesting article on her extravagances https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-506198/The-Empress-Extravagance-How-Queen-Mother-left-7m-debts.html

And linking info from the "Gutter press" Tut Tut.

So explain to me why you brought up something that Harry did years ago, apologised for, said it was wrong. Why can't you accept an apology and move on, and accept that he has changed from when he was a teenager and he was very much a product of his environment (which doesn't reflect well on the royal family anyway).

Cutting off his security when they knew there were live death threats against his life and Archie is mistreatment. And before you start blaming the Government for that, he has a multi billionaire father who could have done what Tyler Perry actually did.

The reason why he has to go around in blacked out cavalcade is because of the death threats he gets and of course the gutter press who like to publicise where he is so that every nut case in the world knows where they are.

You’re blaming Harry’s decision to dress up as a natzi on his family?

FFS 🤪

I don’t see William or Zara dressing up as Natzis

You know nothing of what they got up to because a) William was protected and Harry fed to the press and b) because they were probably not interested in Zara (or Edward's children). Mind you, they gave Beatrice and Eugenie plenty of attention.

They didn’t force Harry to wear a natzi uniform

Ultimately he chose to wear that uniform- have to say it’s just laughable that you don’t even give him the credit of being able to make his own decisions and indeed mistakes - you are outsourcing any responsibility for the not so clever things he’s done, to his family.

I find that absolutely and completely pathetic - even Harry has tried to take some responsibility for some of the madder things he’s said and done- but you’re treating him like he has some sort of mental disorder where he doesn’t have to take any responsibility for anything negative that he does in his life. It’s astounding the level of manure that you’re asking us to accept as fact 😀

If anything the coverage of him falling out of nightclubs and, despite it being a shocking decision, wearing a Nazi uniform endeared him with the public. On the one hand it was a traumatised teen in the public eye who was *shock horror* acting like a normal teen while and on the other as someone who clearly needed some structure, guidance and support as well before he went off the rails completely. A move inevitably towards a military career and it was the tabloids who ironically championed his stint in the army. 'Ave a Go 'Arry/Our Harry etc. He left, didn't want a desk job and became a working royal getting funded by the Duchy like the rest of them.

Unmarried then instead of the focus being on anything he was working to highlight because popular media could care less about these things it zeroed in on his dating life ahead of another expected royal wedding. He and his girlfriend were hacked and other nefarious (and illegal) means were used to try and get scoops. It solidified his hate towards a media which had normalised, championed and then abused him.

He would be championed again when he met Meghan and ultimately chastised again when it was clear they really didn't fancy being Princess Anne 2.0 with her 450 engagements a year. The inviting of A list celebrities to their spectacle wedding who they didn't even personally know seems like a red flag in hindsight.

Quite a roller coaster but ultimately if you're grounded, well advised, are willing to listen/discuss/debate/decide and can see the bigger picture then it can be managed as others have done before him. There is this idea that Diana told Harry that he and William were equals in everything. I think he was told this at an impressionable age and I wonder if this is the root cause of all of this. I'd say his mother never, before she died, articulated that they were equally loved but, within the system of monarchy, they were very different. He was left with a parent whose whole life purpose was to be of service.

His brother would be King and Harry was the spare in case William died or didn't fancy it. Maybe the benefits and freedom of being #2 were never fully outlined to him i.e. he was, if he fancied it, free to be in a grunge band playing bare foot if he wanted. I just think he, as a Prince, has a very understandable/unavoidable sense of entitlement but just has zero self-awareness, a lack of perspective and has collected wounds all along the way that has driven him towards an unhealthy path. Hollywood is an unforgiving place where, no matter what you have done or what fancy title you have, that you're only as good as your last piece of work. Any flops and the doors can close very quickly. He still wants to be deemed equal imo. I know I can take the piss here but the flop of Megxit and the scrutiny this has placed on him can't be good.

Because context.

There is a difference between an impressionable and immature 6/7 year old child ignorantly mimicing the actions of the adults in her company years before what Herr Hitler, who her head the ball Uncle was stanning hard for, subsequently did and a 20 year old (supposedly mature) young man who had been through school and who was, like everyone else, acutely aware of what Herr Hitler had perpetrated.

Has there been a nationwide poll conducted in the UK to confirm the British public haven't "forgiven" Harry for wearing a Nazi uniform?

It's referenced here as the one who allowed the racist allegation (subsequently downgraded to unconscious bias) is the one who wore the uniform and referred to a fellow soldier as "Our little Paki friend".

He has since publicly clarified that the intent behind the single conversation about future children before they married (his version)/multiple conversations when Meghan was pregnant (her version) wasn't racist.

Ergo, the only demonstrably racist behaviour of the current RF is Harry's.

Don't you know that W and C must have held H at gunpoint to make him wear the nazi uniform??

Sausage envy so- a well used, but not necessarily a psychological society acknowledged condition - jury’s out so on this 😀