Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

I'm not bothered enough to trawl back through your posts, but it is a pattern with your posts that anyone paying close attention will notice.

Anyone who is bothered enough, including you, can go back and look for themselves.

My mother used to have a saying for people who do that,

"runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds."

So you just want to make an accusation with nothing to back it up? If you know it so well, you wouldn't need to call out specific posts, you should be able to simply state where I contradict myself.

You're just trolling at this stage. There's a distinct difference between us, I have tried to listened to what people have said on this thread an adapted my view accordingly i.e. not always assuming I know more then everyone else. You just preach from the cubicle tops and shout down everyone and anyone who disagrees. Throw out a "you cant speak out of both sides of your mouth" and then when asked to back it up say you're too lazy. Quality contributions.

Absolutely agree. What on earth have they been talking about for 10 meetings. What the hell have the Union's been leading off with, obviously not pay, probably the most important issues for public and civil servants. The Union are an embarrassement.

The Union said they were ready to meet on 27th September for talks, but DPER were not. The Unions should have balloted members for strike action if the talks were unsuccessful in October and November so, in advance of the talks. DPER absolutely run rings around the Union, every iteration of the talks. The Unions said a push on Monday/Tuesday is needed to get a deal. Tuesday the talks break down and to quote Kevin Callinan " we absolutely haven't even started talking about pay yet". In the midst of a cost of living crisis, 10 meetings in and still no talks on pay, 11 days out from the expiry of the current agreement. A village idiot would be more proactive in managing their business than how the Union have behaved and been lead on a merry dance in this fiasco.

Yet you don't want to actually point out any of the "flip flopping"? You just want to complain?

10 meetings about the final unwinding of FEMPI? I can't really think of anything else that would be ahead of pay in the pecking order. Its shocking that pay has not been discussed considering the headline figure is what 99% of people are going to look at when deciding to accept or reject the deal.

I think balloting for industrial action in October would be too aggressive and the Union would be entering the talks in bad faith. Balloting in January allows the Unions to start applying pressure with the threat of industrial action. Industrial action can then occur in February/March is required. Once you start strikes, you cant deescalate until a deal is reached.

The admission that they hadn't even begun to talk about pay yet was ridiculous.

DPER running rings around them.

I think the play by the DPER is to delay a deal being implemented until March/April with the promise of backpay to January. Lower headline figure with backpay of a few months.

Ah ya, we might get around to the pay March or April next year. Thank god I packed in the Union membership. Their incompetence knows no bounds and when you think they can't be worse than the last time round, they just go and surprise you don't they?!

10 meetings in and no talks on pay............chatting about their holidays are they, what Santa is bringing them perhaps?

My understanding is that FEMPI effectively gives the Government a veto over any sectoral negotiations that take place between the pay deals. That no sectoral or grade-based claims are allowed outside the pay talks during the lifetime of the agreement.

It won't have an impact on the day to day stuff I think. Pension deductions have already been made permanent, hour changes e.g. Croke Park hours for teachers are not going to be undone. It just gives the Unions more power to negotiate.

If someone knows more, please correct me.

11th January my arse. . . They should be back on 2nd January. In actual fact industrial action should be automatically beginning on 1st January.

As usual ICTU serving their real masters - the government.