Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

So? Or are you throwing this out there as a quasi justification for murdering thousands of Palestinian women and children?

Do you support an immediate ceasefire in Gaza? We absolutely need to stop the murder of innocent women and children. Hopefully you agree?

This post is overloaded with your subjective opinion on both the makers of the meme, and the motivations of BLM.

How do you know specifically about why the person who made the meme made? And that aside, it was the context in which it was being used her that I was referring to, and in that case, it seems you agree with me, that others who bring up different crises situations are doing so mostly to shut down a particular angle of discussion on this crisis.

With respect to BLM, again, it is unreasonable and unfair to attribute the behavior of some to being reflective of the entire movement of people who approved the core message that Black Lives do Matter. It is frequently said on here that 'the BLM protests were all about violence'. They weren't. Absolutely there were some at which there was violence. A lot of violence. No one is disputing that. But the vast majority of protests were peaceful and the vast majority of attendees were similarly motivated. I think something like 0.002% of the total volume of people who were estimated to have attended protests were arrested for actions at them. Say only 1 person in every 100 who committed violence was arrested. That's still only 0.2% of all attendees which means 99.8% of people were peaceful. Is it appropriate to suggest that an organization should be judged based on the actions of 0.2% of its members or the 99.8%?

There is corruption in politics, in police forces, in religions, in industry, in non-profit organisations, wherever there are people. There is no debate there. But to discount the entirety of a movement because of the behaviour of a handful of people is disingenuous, particularly when those people were not specifically involved in directing all of the people who agreed with the sentiment that the movement was expressing.

And its been proven to be beyond ridiculous to imply that movements calling for the safety of the Palestinian people are instead motivated by antisemitism. It is shocking to see people so absolved of compassion that they would look to twist empathy for those dying in to somehow being hatred for those of the same religion as those doing the killing.

Or do you think that marches organized by and attended by Jewish people calling for a ceasefire are also anti-Semitic in nature? If not, please explain how you don't think those are, but the ones referenced above are.

Do you know that not a single person under the age of 35 voted for Hamas? Are you saying people deserve what comes to them because of the governments they voted for?

Well you introduced Yemen and Syria and China. If Russia-Ukraine more relevant to the discussion than those? Most definitely yes. Israel bases its claim to the region on a book that is a few thousand years old that says their god gave them some vague area of the Middle East to own.

Russia, in contrast, has the much stronger origin story of the Kievan Rus which is relatively far more recent in time and is actually supported by contemporaneous accounts and archaeology.

Israel claims it is at permanent risk of destruction from a population of about 2 million people living permanently at a subsistence level on the brink of starvation. Russia claims it is at permanent risk from the West who were expanding their influence through West-leaning politicians and policies into Ukraine. Which is completely true. So rather than 2m starving people, the Ukrainians have tens of millions of their own people, a sophisticated military, and the backing of hundreds of millions of the wealthiest people in the world via their respective governments. Both Israel and Russia have nuclear weapons. Palestinians don't, but the Western backers f Ukraine most certainly do.

I don't think that Russia has any justification for what it is doing, but I recognize that their claims to have are far stronger than Israel has. And I definitely don't think that Israel has any justification at all. You appear to have the opinion that Israel has the justification to kill all the brown Muslims, but that Russia doesn't have justification to kill the Christian Caucasians in Ukraine. It is difficult to rationalize that cognitive dissonance.

Pro-tip for you for today - don't introduce irrelevant nonsense if you don't like it being mirrored back to you.

reply to bigwill123

from this source:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine

Following the Fatah–Hamas conflict that started in 2006, Hamas formed a government ruling the Gaza Strip without elections. Gazan Prime Minister Haniyye announced in September 2012 the formation of a second Hamas government, also without elections.

Who do you think the people of Gaza will vote for next time? Seeing their mothers, brothers and sisters murdered and their hospitals bombed, their doctors and journalists murdered and then their oppressors starving them will ensure that Hamas, or another organisation who are even more determined to fight, will have the votes. Rinse and repeat.

Even then, it was a party as part of a government and they got 44% to Fatah's 41%. Then there was a whole war and shlt and Hamas took over. That wasn't voted for.

It was 44% of a vote in an election 16 years ago with a 75% turnout. With such a ridiculously young population, the percentage of people alive who voted for Hamas is so low that to weaponise it and justify the murders happening now is either stupidity or just happily lying to oneself.

Anthony Blinken tried to suppress Al Jazeera News from reporting what was going on in Gaza?? Blinken asked the Qatari government officials to stop them reporting. When they refused the chief reporter's family was killed in an Israeli strike. The US is now complicit in War Crimes imo.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/oct/27/us-asks-qatar-to-turn-down-the-volume-of-al-jazeera-news-coverage

I've watched some of Al Jazeera's coverage in English - it's actually pretty balanced and nuanced and informative, not hysterical anti-Israel ranting and raving (even though they do criticise Israel a lot naturally).

Everyone is capable of racism. Some blatant, others subconscious but you cannot argue with fact.

Many Arabs enjoy a peaceful, prosperous and secure life within Israel.

It says a lot that you will blindly trust this far right think tank run out of Israel by people with connections to the Israeli government over one of the most respected humanitarian organisations in the world.

The fact that they've gone to the trouble of founding an extremist propaganda outlet with a neutral sounding name like "ngo monitor" specifically to try to discredit humanitarian organisations like Amnesty International also says a lot. If you scroll through their most recent articles you'll also find fact free hit pieces against Medicins Sans Frontieres, Human Rights Watch, the International Federation for Human Rights, the UN Human Rights council, Swedish and Norwegian international development and refugee agencies amongst many others. This organisation really seems to despise anyone who is in favour of such horrific sins as promoting human rights or providing shelter or medical aid to innocent civilians.

How many Irish ignorantly compare the situation in Israel to that of Northern Ireland?

Do you have a source for that stat?

Embarrassing.

They won't be let in.