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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭farm to fork


    Sorry I'm late to the party....but Jjameson I dipped my toe in the black and white market in the last few years after finding the continental trade unviable (too expensive to buy in). I have sold Whiteheads and Angus in the last few weeks at a Flat rate. Its one of the reasons I went down this route. Most years around this period Flat Rates are easily achieved allowing you to batch a group regardless of Grade or Fat Score. Now if you had a few to grade which I did recently, well the grid is the place. I had a group of lovely whiteheads heifers grade R and with the 20 cent Board Bia and 20 cent Whitehead bonus they paid as well or better than Continentals, they definitely left more money.

    So Jjameson I think you need to pull in your horns and listen to lads on here, I have learnt a lot from other peoples views. None of us are experts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭KAMG


    Apologies. I misinterpreted your earlier post. Anyways, As Conversations 3 said its great that we are actually discussing prices. I keep a very regular eye on this thread as I feel it is the most accurate way to judge prices actually being paid. I don't pass much heed on the papers or websites to be honest. In saying that, I have been keeping a record of the weekly quoted prices on the IFA website so it will be interesting what they are saying around lunchtime today.

    What sort of cattle are you sending Friday?



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭downtown3858


    You’re a very stubborn man Jameson . Everyone is telling you there is more going . Do not take any less than 5 euro base out of any factory . You would be a fool to do so. You don’t have to take any less at the present times . And beef will not be worth any less in the first month of 24 either . When times like this arrive with factories tight and looking stock and pinching cattle of each other you fight hard for every penny . You even ring another factory you don’t deal with . The one you normally deal with will think more of you next time you have stock to sell if you do jump ship this time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    When you deal in the same agent and factory they know from experience what type of cattle you keep and how much finish they carry and what market they suit, it’s there game and they have to know what they are getting, shopping around is not a big deal, listening to word of mouth is not much use as most lads talk up there price they got for their cattle, have got flat rate as stated at times in Kcc and kepak. Also the grading machine is not run by the factories it’s independent. It’s amazing to see how cattle kill out for well done to under finished and how the yield off the carcass,



  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭KAMG




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  • Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Conversations 3



    Everytime my dealer brings cattle to APB Waterford the grading is very tight, I'm avoiding them if at all possible.

    Grading needs to be taken out of the factories hands, it's a ridiculous setup.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,340 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Lads going with 4 or 5 cattle will always get less than the lad with the load. Some lads jump ship to another factory for 5 cent.... personally I wouldnt..... the day you have one that doesnt grade the way you felt it would and you have your tail between your legs



  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭KAMG


    You are a very stubborn person. I don't like being doubted so I'm going to ring my neighbour at lunchtime to see how he fared yesterday. I'll tell him some doubting Thomas on the internet thinks he isn't telling me the truth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭farm to fork


    The were out of British Friesians I would say. Fr was the breed of the Dam on the card. Now they graded R- so nothing special but qualified for base price. They killed out fierce well at 54%



  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭KAMG


    I'm not going to ask him for that. I don't want him thinking I don't believe him. When I most certainly do. There have been any amount of posters on here saying the same as me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭Seadin


    What moneys should 4 x AA animals be getting approx that graded


    O+2+. KO 309kg

    0=2= KO 315kg

    0-3= KO 301kg

    0+3+ KO 342kg


    Awaiting the cheque but haven't prices yet. Base price at €4.90.


    Thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭grass10


    Are these hot or cold weights. cold weight is supposed to be 98% of total hot weight but I know of at least 1 factory that will not provide side 1 or side 2 hot weight or even provide total hot weight they just give you total cold weight and will not provide the actual recorded weights to you



  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭KAMG


    6 O+'s and 2 R-'s. Average weight of 336 KG. Sounds good, but they got a good amount of meal in the last 2 months.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 210 ✭✭KAMG


    What are you on about now? I asked him how did ye come to get the flat price. He said it was nearly the first thing they said when he called to enquire last Friday. They offered him the usual grid based system with 4.95 as base price or a flat price of 5.40 as it was all AAX he was sending.

    If you look at the IFA website, the price up today for this week, is indeed 4.95 in the factory in midlands he went to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,817 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No flat pricing locally for the average Joe. ABP and Dawn plants. Certain supplier that are killing 200+ a year get a bit more. Quoted base this week for local suppliers is 4.85/kg, I got 4.9 base for a single bullock going overag. 4.95 is probably available for a load. Sorry I did not hold him as he was FS 3+ he was a plain ch bullock grading O=.

    If you are up in the Midlands and are between 3-4 processors ya you can price around and they will compete. But traveling a serious distance with cattle is not worth a hat of crabs.

    Transport is now 25++/ head and you will definitely be loaded the evening before if not late afternoon. I see Sunday loading @ 11am for cattle to go to Slaney for Monday morning.

    I have seen lads caught when the market changes. Know a lad locally that was an agent for a midlands plant that is carrying his cattle to Gortalea. He burnt his bridges with the local plants. He was amazed that myself and another lad were always getting the HE bonus all our HE 18 months ago as he could not get it where he was going to at the time.

    Between transport and extra DW I would need 14-18 c/ kg to break even if travelling. 5c/ kg above that is 17-18 euro.

    I saw it after the strike irregular suppliers struggled to get cattle killed and a large percentage went overrage and as well AA and HE bonuses disappeared for a lot of these lads.

    There is 6-8 weeks during the year when you can really bargain but if you are supplying outside these times I do not want it to be costing me 14-18c/kg.

    15c/ kg is the AA bonus locally I rang thevAA society and was told that was the standard bonus agreed with ABP. Bugbear but I cannot change it. I seldom have much more than 3-4 of them.

    On the other hand I buy cattle out of Kerry at 50-100/ head cheaper than the Midlands so I cannot have it every way. Buying now to hang in 2025. Bought 4 Friesians and two SI last week. The Friesians are middle of the road O- average I would say.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,892 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    What sort of a chap is the last one at €130? If he's healthy and not stunted you're starting from a very low base as regards expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭1373


    Factories don't reward guys sending in Angus with fat scores of 2 . That an animal that's not finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭kk.man




  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭1373


    Actually 20 cent difference is happening every day. I finish 60 to 100 fr bulls every year , all home reared. Last year I got 5.40 flat . My br in law got 5.20 same week, same agent. The difference was fat cover. His were half finished whereas I started feeding mine earlier. Whether I was better off than him at the end of the day is debatable



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Got 5.40 flat mix of he and aa and free transport last week. Just a trailer load.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭DBK1


    It’s there for anyone that wants it, hard to fathom that there’s men out there killing cattle that don’t understand what a flat price is or how it works. The factory agents must love seeing their names coming up on the phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,817 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Healthy he is a flaker 3-4 month old calf, if you look on the LHS of the docket you will see days old they were. The three lighter ones are all 45-60 days they are all older but not that old. They have drank a lot of milk and eaten a lot of calf ration.

    They are soft weanlings but have come in at the right price. The mollycoddling is over but they will be grand. I put the light lad into the only bedded pen I have with a light LMX heifer I bought a few weeks ago a shy ( but quite) animal as well.

    I never get this long wait crack on cattle. Its all about margin/profit. I have put in just under 20 cattle in the last 3 weeks for about 320-330 euro average. We are expanding our operation, the next 18 months may be tricky but if we can hold a decent slaughter level next year and get through the winter of 24/25 we can bang on again.

    Those light cattle are costing 80c/ day on silage and 3/4 a kg of ration as well as minerals. 75 euro would carry them to April.

    Did them with bovilis, Triobex as well as fluke and worms. They were squeezed as well. In total 500 will carry most of them to finish in May/ June 2025. Will they average up near the 1800 euro ????, definitely 1700.

    Old style farming

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭DBK1


    The same ones I told you last night, Keepak in Kilbeggan and 2 different Liffey meats plants. There’s a private Abbatoir offering or also but I’ve never been happy with killout percentages there so I haven’t dealt there for a number of years now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,817 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No, good ground, yes TB not an issue at present. However low cost system at 450 kgs mart weight those Fr will not exceed 900 euro. The Six's and other coloured cattle might sell a bit better but on average I have never seen much money made in a mart.

    In twenty years I have sold 15 cattle through the mart ( ten of them in the first year learned from my mistake) IMO it's +50 or -150 in the marts

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,817 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Maybe but those stores have the hard work done. Go to the mart the wrong day and all your work is for nought. Take it you are stocked at 1.5 times finishing numbers. Now you need to market ( going from the 80 mentioned earlier) 120 cattle, will you haul at buying and selling. Mart fees presentation of stock, will you feed pre sale. There was only a really strong 3-4 week autumn mart sales period this year.

    Now I have dry land and can manage early slaughter basically as long as I can keep a silage based winter system and slaughter 80+% before mid September I cannot improve on it I think

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,892 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    He should be sound so if that's the case. I seen the list of days but I was wondering if it was age or days in herd which may or may not be the same thing depending on movements. As above a dry lie and a pinch of meal will make a job of him, if he gets to grass early he'll fly it over the summer. Those little lads don't need hardship but there past the real baby stage all the same. You don't find 12 months passing and there into a different beast but the biggest problem I find is that you'd want a lot of ground to run a number of stock when you're going from that stage to finishing. However it's nice to see a beast actually growing into money and as a friend of mine would often say about the like "you'll never have to take any less for him".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,817 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Moves are on LHS of the days there is only one lad in the bunch that had more than one move. But ya you are right those are days in herd.

    The three single movement friesians were in the rushes for a while before they were found.

    You would amazed at how light you can buy cattle and they would not be stunted. If calves are adequately dobe for the first 8-10 weeks they can survive a nice bit of hardship. Often buy poor weight for age cattle and I be more worried about there genetics than they being stunted usually

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭kk.man




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,817 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A haulier/tangler said to me a few years ago that bunches of hungry poorly weighting cattle will very seldom have anything seriously wrong with them. Its the single lad to watch out for. Admittely we buy a nice few singles ourselves. The lad selling those Friesians I bought should definately put the two heavier lads in one lot. Mart was quite same day 20-30 weanlings only about 8-10 light cattle after I got the SI's and the first Friesian there was little competition nobody was coming for one animal. The small lad fell very easy to me.

    Slava Ukrainii



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