Flying Drones in public parks in Dublin.

Or where would you LIKE to fly............

Not that you really care I suspect by your polarised, inaccurate, comments, but I would suggest thefollowing.

Your 3 points.

(A) If correctly flown in a designated area you would not be bothered by the noise. So not an issue

(B) If correctly flown it will NOT fly over you.. So not an issue

(C) Yes - most have a camera , with good resolution, but NOT as good as phones, of which there are far more ( one per person ? ) at the same ground elevation and closer to you, in constant use. Should they be also banned.. ? or should you have to apply to the council to use your phone incase you take a photograph ?

Good points...

You SAY..------------

I'm not a fan of drones at all. I can understand the commercial reasons

for them or owners flying them on private land, but why is there a need

to fly them in parks or beaches where the public tend to just want to

relax?

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They reason for flying from parks is because for recreational owners

these are the ONLY locations that we can fly. No Random farmer is going

to ok the use of their land as a take of landing point for a stranger..

there are many areas of parks and beaches that can allocate a small

space for drones as are allocated for many other activities.. Dogs off

the leash are serious concern for me, so I do not go into the Dogs off

the leash areas or at designated times so everyone is happy.. this

could easily be achieved with Drone locations.

You SAY..------------

Drone operators don't seem to understand the annoyance they cause by

hovering over people who are sitting on beaches or in Parks.

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I do.. acutely..  

If I take my camera phone and follow someone around taking photos..

they would find , correctly, it was highly annoying and an invasion of

privacy./.

Should we ban camera phones in public places.? Go Pros on bikes /

skaters, ban them all ? Car cams... hell they record all the people..

ban them ? Security cams outside every shop / business ? Traffic cams

on many junctions.?? Tourist cams all over the place... ban all of

these..? 

Is this the issue the technology - the camera or the moron using it.. ?

NO drone operator should "hover over people" or be near people sitting

on beaches or parks. Some morons ( from what you say ) do.... and that

is WRONG and should be reported to the IAA. and / or the local garda.

You SAY..------------

The same happens in housing estates where drones operators hover over

peoples gardens?

Can I ask why they do all of the above?

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Same as above -----------that is WRONG and should be reported to the

IAA. and / or the local garda.

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I do not understand why there is much focus on what morons can and do

with drones... think if there was a designated space.. they would meet

proper responsible drone owners and learn, also the peer pressure to

fly correctly and accurately... and believe me the proper drone owners

would have no hesitation letting these cowboys know if they were

messing about and no problem reporting them,

People do not pick up dog poo because they like to... they do it

because that is accepted practice and it is expected from them as

responsible owners, even when no one is around to see them doing it,

not so long ago they held the lead while the dog pooped all over the

place... but with responsible owners around irresponsible owners

even, have to follow suit..

I do not understand the satisfaction from climbing a cliff face.. but

others do... I do not understand the point of owning a dog, others

do... I don't expect anyone to understand the joy one gets from being

qualified for flying a registered and insured drone to IAA guidelines

BUT I am sure you can appreciate the frustration when confronted with

the situation that there is nowhere and I mean NOWHERE that one can,

"as you like", go out and fly/.  

For other reason it has changed recently for other reasons - but

consider New York city and borough had many take off points..Helsinki

you can fly the city with specific exceptions. Most national parks

outside of Ireland / UK ( various rules ) you can fly parks / open

space  and with monument restrictions. Ireland you can fly NOWHERE on

public land , - the ONLY option is from PRIVATE land.    

Yet - the Morons do fly and annoy people, probably not trained ,

registered or insured, post all over social media and are clearly

identified and from my knowledge and responses to question asked, NONE

have had and sanction or contact from the Parks managers.?

Finally - we are entering an age where drone deliveroo ( which is

already established ) is expanding and developing into very many other

areas.. this is a technology they is growing very fast and will need

many more technicians and operators.. I believ that we should be encouraging the use

of this technology in a responsible manner and not looking at every

worst case scenario to find fault.. 

I cannot see how that is related to responsible drone flying... if you have no interest - I dont see the point in looking for "somoene's dog pooped and it was not cleaned up.. " articles - it is obvious there are morons flying drones... and there are irresponsible dog owners but you cannot base sanctions on the rest of the group becasue of the actions of a few... if you are interested -- see

https://www.iaa.ie/general-aviation/drones/faqs/safety-regulations

You may or may not be aware that the use of drones in farming in Ireland is extensive..

For the marksmen among the group... FYI

"However, whether shooting down a drone would be considered reasonable is

questionable.

If a person deliberately damages someone’s drone or interferes with its communication

system, they may find themselves liable for trespass, causing criminal damage or worse

if someone gets hurt.

Thus a person might be better advised to video the drone in action over the land and to

report it to the gardaí and the Irish Aviation Authority if they have concerns about a

potential break in."

I am sure there was a point to the post - but I didnt get it,,, but the rules and technology have changed dramatically in the last 7 years...

That whooshing noise that you hear is the point , clearly going, right over your head... wow!

You are the type of drone flyer EVERYONE complains about just saying "It wont fly where its not supposed to anyway," about a geo-locked DJI shows how little you know...... do us all a favour and assume you were not born with inherent drone knowledge and go out and learn........

incredible................

What is the highest height that you have flown your drone to.?

Did you EVER see this............i.e. MAX height you can fly is 120 M... !!

PLEASE look at -- https://www.iaa.ie/general-aviation/drones/faqs/safety-regulations

I think you said it all..............

I think you are off on an entirely different point or range of points,

some of which I agree with.. I was hoping in the "drones" thread to

engage with responsible drone users to find avenues to find responsible

locations to fly and was not aware it was home to the anti-drone

supporters. To be accused of an abrasive attitude is quite subjective

and I think mainly influenced by people not wanting to recognise the

point..because it does not suit their privacy / personal invasion

narrative.

I do know that I would rather have drones in a controlled , regulated

and responsible future, than in the mess it is in now, primarily

because councils et al, have kicked to touch on genuinely examining the

problem. If other EU and worldwide countries were able to regulate, it

is not unreasonable to have expected ours to be able to do the same../

The scaremongering around drones is reminiscent of the same "boogy man

" scaremongering we have had around mobile phone cameras.. now largely

resolved, and yet day after day we see instance of them being used VERY

inappropriately, uploaded to social media and apparently acceptable

to the greater public...

Drones are with us whether we like it or not and it is far better to

have them licensed and regulated than not, and whether you agree with

that statement or find it abrasive is purely your prerogative/. 

Either way it is good to discuss and get the points into the open.

It goes without saying of course, that if anyone has a small plot of land , preferably without close neighbours. in the Dublin or adjoining counties that they would allow be used for take off, practice, etc, for a responsible recreational user, fully insured, trained and registered - I would be delighted to receive a Private Message (PM ) Thank you..

I always feel that an ad hominem comment is a sad way to debate..