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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Who would Trump pick as his running mate? I had assumed that Pence was picked because he was bland and could help shore up the moderate Republican vote, but Trump has gone so all-in on crazy this time that it's hard to see him trying that again, but at the same time, it's hard to see him picking someone also crazy because he loves to be the centre of attention.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You'd think given their love to parrot Ben Shapiro's favourite axiom that facts don't care about your feelings down the years, they'd have understood it wouldn't work as a defence. but as we've learned, MAGA is nothing if not rank hypocrisy as a cult.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    His daughter/wife would fit the bill, if she didn't distance herself post 2020



  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    Ivanka, of course. However, she's angry that he spoiled her image.



  • Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭Stanley 1


    She went for the money and safety, so Jared wins out, guess he laid it on the line, divorce or me.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,411 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump - these court cases are election interference!!

    Also Trump - can you slow these cases down please?




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Imagine if he actually got her as VP, got elected and then croaked while in office. The concept of Ivanka Trump as the POTUS would be totally off the wall. Her dad is more than bad enough, but at least her dad has some kind of directed political ambition. Ivanka's got as much presence and vision as a bit of slightly scented air.

    Anyway, it won't happen due to what's been said already.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭briany


    MAGA 2016: Facts don't care about your feelings.

    MAGA 2020: Feelings don't care about your facts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,441 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-threaten-take-joe-biden-off-ballot-trump-colorado-1854067

    Republicans are calling for President Joe Biden to be removed from state presidential ballots following a Colorado court ruling that Donald Trump is not permitted to be on its ballot next year.

    Well, this comes as a complete shock. Who could have predicted that reaction?


    (Not sure which insurrection they can point to in Biden's case, but best of luck to them)



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,594 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    This could end up as quite a pickle for the GOP. If SCOTUS agrees, more states will follow.

    Of course Trump will use this to agitate his supporters but if he isn't allowed on the ballot he cannot win.

    But putting someone else up will not work as many Trump supporters will either abstain of write Trump on the ballot. Either of which gives the Dems a clear run.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,441 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The obligatory tweet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,970 ✭✭✭Christy42


    That is the interesting point is that this is more of a conservatist judgement already. I believe Gorusch has a statement effectively in favour of this from a different context in the past.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Tell us you haven't a clue about how democracy works without telling us you don't have a clue how democracy works.

    Wait till you hear about the separation of powers, it'll blow your mind!



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,437 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Doesn't matter how red the state is, all it takes is one person of standing to bring a case for Trump to be barred, you then have a scenario where the state courts have to make a decision. Red state or not, most of them are just going to follow the supreme courts precedent.

    Its too easy to think of red states as being all red, when most of them are more like 60/40 red to blue. There are a lot of democrats in Texas, so plenty of people with standing to bring this case to their courts.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well , sort of.

    There are two parts to this.

    First off , he has to be found to have "engaged in Insurrection" , which the lower court in Colorado found that he had. This decision is a bit dodgy legally speaking to be honest as they never really had a "trial" per se and the Judge just decided themselves that he had committed Insurrection.

    Then secondly , there has to be an agreement that the 14th Amendment applies to the Office of President - Which is the bit that the Colorado Supreme court decided on and which is the thing that the Supreme court will be asked to adjudicate on.

    So - In a scenario where the Supreme court agree with Colorado and say that the 14th amendment does indeed apply to the Office of President then each State will 1st have to find him guilty of Insurrection and THEN the 14th amendment automatically kicks in as it is "self-actuating".

    I can't see a Court in Texas for example (or any other "red" state) , finding Trump guilty of Insurrection (most of them signed on to bullshit Amicus briefs objecting to the election results!!!) so the application of the 14th never happens.

    Now - If the Supreme Court agrees that the 14th amendment applies AND the Jack Smith Federal case gets to court and Trump loses then he's automatically out Nation-wide , no argument.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They mentioned on the 538 Podcast that the SCOTUS can also simply say that it's up to individual states to decide who can and cannot be on ballots, per the laws of that state, and the legal opinion of its presiding judges.

    Trump has not yet been tried on the matter of insurrection, and consequently has received no conviction. The opinion of the Colorado SC does not mean Trump goes to jail, but it does mean he's disqualified from being on the ballot for now.

    The idea that the 14th amendment wouldn't apply the the POTUS is pretty crazy to me because the latitude it would give someone like Trump if it doesn't is particularly worrying to think about.

    We could end up with a scenario where the SC decides against Colorado's finding, Trump loses the insurrection case against him, but can still run for president and win, and Trump gives his victory speech while wearing an orange jumpsuit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    If they say its up to individual states, then that's trump out of the running completely right?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I have to think that depends on how individual states' justices would rule on it. Different U.S. states would have different laws regarding elections and different justices are going to have different legal opinions.

    I think Trump has no business anywhere near political office, but if he's struck off the ballot of several key states, that is going to do nothing to salve political division and the potential for chaos in the United States. That is not to say that it would not be fair and correct to do so, however, but the U.S. still needs to deal with the disease of which Trump is more a symptom than a cause, in my opinion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,705 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The Democrats are resorting to every dirty trick in the book to stop Trump running again.

    They dont espouse Democracy in an shape or form.

    What stunt will they try to pull or engineer next to disqualify Trump from running ?

    Perhaps try to enlarge the Supreme court again or get Trump sectioned ?

    Is anything beneath them at this stage.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,498 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    They dont espouse Democracy in an shape or form.

    as opposed to your guy leading an insurrection to overthrow the democratically elected president



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,529 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The rapist literally has a plan to eliminate democracy in America.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's judges acting in that capacity who made the ruling in Colorado, not Democrats, as you say. It's the DoJ serving federal indictments against Trump, not Democrats. If you can prove that there is overt political bias in these legal actions, please pick up the phone and blow the lid off it. I'm sure Trump will be awfully grateful for your help.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If you think the Democrats are anti democracy, you should hear what the other guy/lot are saying!



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,411 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The Democrats are resorting to every dirty trick in the book to stop Trump running again. - the petitioners in Colorado were republicans.

    Perhaps try to enlarge the Supreme court again - they absolutely should have

    or get Trump sectioned ? Not a chance - haven't you seen his awesome cognitive abilities at work? Person, Woman, Man, Camera! WOW



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Take everything Trump has done or said since 2015. Now imagine it was Hillary Clinton. Watch as Fox News cannot hang on to hosts because they have all died from massive heart attacks.

    It's been interesting, if nothing else, watching Trump repeatedly cross the line on what's acceptable or normal and watch right-wing news media pull back on him for a moment, due to shock, but also due to needing time to put together an edgy angle.

    I can only ask the question of Trump supporters whether there's anything he could do that would make him ineligible for election? I suspect that if he really did shoot someone on 5th Avenue, the opinion would soon emerge that the person had it coming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yawn, still pushing this crap. He incited an insurrection so it's fair to say he was failing to uphold the constitution. It has nothing to do with the Democrats, it's Colorado's supreme Court. Fascinating how you lob the judicial system even though they've based it on constitutional law.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,418 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Short memories Trump supporters have... LOCK HER UP!

    Your claims are entirely without merit and foundation. Positive proof of this will be your complete inability to defend your claims against the multiple counter posts which shred your post to pieces. Your claims do not stand because they cannot be defended.

    You're trying to defend a rapist and a wannabee dictator. To try to defend him on the grounds of democracy, given he tried to overthrow the democratically elected government, shows how morally and intellectually bankrupt your cause is. It is scoring an own goal.

    Is there anything beneath Trump supporters at this stage?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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