Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I do think it's OK to flee a war you want no part in. So does the rest of the world, which is why we have laws protecting refugees. Does it fill you with joy to see so many patriotic Russians enlist?

When you can demonstrate there is insufficient manpower in Ukraine then I'll debate it.

When you come out with nonsense like this " Why help a country whose own citizens are not prepared to stand up and defend it???" given we've seen 100,000 Ukranian casualties, and AFU prevail against all the odds, then I wonder what planet you're living on.

With respect, do you not see the fundamental incompatibility in your response?? You say it's OK to flee war and not defend your country on one hand and then praise the efforts of those who did in the next breath. Hypocrisy.

As for @pixelburp assertion above, I'll have you know than my grandparents who went to the trenches of WW1 were not conscripted. There was no conscription in Ireland during WW1 - no, they answered the call and enlisted. They were otherwise peaceful men prepared to defend against the march of the German, Austrian Hungarian & Turkish empires. Just as Ukrainians are now needed and are indeed morally obliged to defend against the expanding Russian empire.

As for me, I regard our generation as very lucky not to have been sucked into a major European conflict. But you can be damn sure, that if we were that I would have done my duty as a citizen to help defend Ireland. And I would expect nothing less of anyone else.

Moving away from the debate about deporting refugees to a country that still has millions of able bodied people capable of taking up arms against putin's aggression the Dutch have put a number on their initial delivery of F-16s to Ukraine:

Well, it's only Cork. I mean, they all stayed in bed in 1916 so why should they expect the rest of us to defend it. Its an awful shitehole, in fairness.

Well , it depends on who is attacking it. If it was any country /group bar Russia I would help in defending Cork to the last as there is always hope of victory. BUT, BUT if it was Russia, I would leave it have Russia on the condition that it would never try to attack another county !

You don't live in reality

Humans come in in all shapes sizes and mentally

We have hired a few Ukrainians and out of the 6 i would think 1 could be of use to the Ukrainian military

The other 5 are like little mice

There is no way they could handle battlefield conditions, its probably why there family's arranged for them or themselves to leave Ukraine

Not everyone is cut out for war, being a keyboard warrior doesn't make you tough

There not going to change any laws to suit Ukraine, and if they started demanding people who have been given international protection be returned to be sent to their deaths in a trench,they will quickly alienate supporters,they could damage their application to join the EU one day ,

It's amazing how Ukrainians lives are the sacrafice some key board warrior here are willing to make.

We know it from our own history, there are those with no dreams of combat who'll then prove most able operatives in defence of their communities.

The Ukrainians have no choice really. Stay and fight or let the Russians in to rape pillage rob and kill them in cold blood..

And if Ukraine dropped the recruitment age to 15 would you still support it?

What if it was the war in Syria instead and Assad was calling on all countries to expel their Syrian refugees?

Or what if Putin did the same?

So much flawed thinking.

I said it ten years ago and and I said it two years ago if NATO stepped in straight away we wouldn't have had this war or the invasion and occupation of Crimea back then, and even now it's looking more likely that NATO may have to put boots on the ground because it seems Ukraine are struggling , like the Russians they are taking heavy losses they have units in trenches 18 months and no rotating out, along with the other issues I keep raising people on the from lines with not even the most basic of essential kit for soldiers fighting a multi year war ,cold weather gear and clothing,socks and underwear, winter boots, ballistic helmets and plate carriers and including the sapi plates, they have received billions in military and financial aid from the EU/NATO and the US and further afield,but yet units are begging on social media for people to donate the basics they aren't getting,

Were back to F16s but they won't change a thing if they won't supply the men and women in the trenches with proper equipment first , this time last year we were all laughing at the poor kit the Russians had while bigging up the winter kit coming from NATO , where is all of this kit ,and where is the billions being spent not going on the lads and women in the trenches...

Would you be happy to be told that you have to leave a safe country to return to those conditions.

Something isn't right in Ukraine and changes are needed or before things get worse