"average Dublin house prices should fall to ‘the €300,000 mark" according to Many Lou McD.

1) If you cant then you need to accept your lot in life and lower your expectations. Maybe you need to take a social house in whatever county they can find you one. Why should the alternative be "its someone elses problem to pay for my house in the area I want to live"?

2) Sure people have put down roots, but our population is growing, so no matter what any government does, we are all going to have to spread out. Thats just simple logic I'm afraid. Sure it would be great if we still lived in the 50's and you could live down the road from your parents in your own house, just like they bought at your age. But thats pie in the sky stuff I'm afraid and doesnt happen anywhere.

3) Again I think this is pie in the sky stuff, because, as I explain in 2) you wont be able to have people move from a 1 bed, to a 2 bed to a 3 bed council house and remain in the same area. Unless we start building houses on top of each other or just start culling all those pesky old people, its just not feasible.

Its super easy to say "just build more council houses in the places where people want to live" but reality is never so simple Im afraid. For starters, how much extra is it going to cost to build a 3 bed semi in Blackrock vs in Tallaght?

Christ on a Bike Donald. The poster originally said that in the 80s you could get a house in Bray for £50K but now it was 10 times more. I already provided the basic inflationary increase that you would have to apply to that £50K to show that, actually, the increase was more like 3x.

But you keep doing you.

Have you priced up the basic materials and labour before making a statement like "200k should be closer to the actual value of labour and materials"?

Because it sounds incredibly naïve to everyone reading it who has every done any sort of construction work or even had it done.

Not sure why you are arguing for the sake of arguing. I made it clear that I did not see the original post and I also made it clear that I based the calculation on the claim that it was 10x from the mid-1990's which was implied at the time as it was made when the topic was 1990's vs today.

Here ya go, to make it easy for you like

And this is the initial post in that particular exchange which indicates the 10X was 1990's vs today

But you keep doing you! (And your "Christ on a bike" dramatics!)

Yeah, and as has been pointed out, its not over 5x, its just over 3x and also it was 1980.

Define "should" cost for us please? Whats is based on. Whats a "decent" living?

How far back in the supply chain are you going to go? i.e. how realistic are your made up material costs?

tbh this feels very much like some pseudo socialist nonsense where I pay for my house out of the bread and milk on my farm.

Perhaps working the same job as someone did 40 years ago isnt a great strategy? Coal mining used to be a great gig, not so great now. Its almost like times change and if you dont move with them, then your expectations need to move.

What could be the cause of that 10x jump? Could it be demand perhaps? How do you propose we solve that demand. Build a couple more storeys onto your parents house so you can live upstairs?

You really think people don't move with the time and are stuck in supposedly dead industries and that is what is stopping them owning a home?

Most people in their 20's and 30's today put far more effort into their education and careers than their parents generation and yet are still not able to afford a house despite doing everything right.

People of my parents generation could do the bare minimum , no college and just normal jobs and be able to afford to buy their own house .You had that attitude today you'd barely be able to find somewhere to rent never mind a place to buy.

There is something wrong with the system when the current generation who make much more effort get less opportunities to own a home than the previous generation who made much less of an effort.

All the data points to home ownership being much more unattainable today than it was for the previous generation yet you've decided to just ignore this.

The issue is that government policy over the past 15 years means that they think it is OK to have this situation to exist and screw the younger generation over in comparison to previous generations.

I'm building a large home office/granny flat at the moment.

72sq m cavity walls. Slate roof, insulated concrete floor.

In terms of materials not far off a typical semi d.

Blocks are costing me about 4k.

Slates I think 2k

I'm going to pump the walls but were I going to 150mm pir which I think are today's regs, I'd be looking at 5k.

My site is wet and sloped so a bit trickier than a typical semi-d but I'm looking at about 8k materials there. Foundation concrete, steel, insulation.

It sounds so cozy, those lovely concrete blocks to rub up against every night, lying on that cozy solid concrete floor looking up at the slates as the rain patterns against them, I'm sold!

From now on houses should cost 10K, anything else is a complete rip off. Btw can you share the video of how you get the slates to hang in mid air? Also how you get them up there without any scaffolding etc? At least you never have to worry about woodworm or rot, since your house doesnt appear to have any timber. Though maybe it does and I just cant see it as you dont have any wiring or lighting either.

You really are a hardcore builder, its a pity your house wont have any, might help with the sloping site? then again some drainage might help also, but you dont appear to have any of that pesky stuff. I guess there is no point as there are no fascias to hang gutters from, unless you can get them to float like the slates?

Seriously, I cant wait for your vlog on youtube.

Dav10, you post a lot on here and give the impression of being of the older generation and late in your career. We'll assume that you have progressed through your career and are at the peak of your earning capacity up to now. You don't need to give us absolute figures, but is your annual income from employment more than 20% of the value of your house? For some people that will be the case, for others it won't.

In ones own career, you get the benefit of regular inflation increases to your income as well as jumps for promotion etc. due to experience and taking on more responsibilities.

At least SF is putting some different thinking into the situation.

As for the rest of the points here.

Polices have to be enacted which means home ownership is seen as providing a home for yourself and not as a vehicle for building wealth.

The fact that some can buy in South County Dublin or Clontarf or Howth and some have to buy in the far reaches of Wicklow or Meath is normal it's not unfair nor has it anything to do with social housing in South County Dublin or Clontarf.

As for buying in the 1980s it wasn't easier it was different thats if you had a job in the first place seeing as unemployment was 17.1% in 1986 let alone massive emigration.

1: You seem to be under some insane idea that staff that work in say, a supermarket in Dalkey shouldn't be able to live there. What is that about? Where you have nice areas, you have service staff. Those staff need housing. They should also be able to raise a family near where they work. Do you think all service jobs should be worked by students or something?

2: "It's pie in the sky stuff, what your parents, grandparents and so on had." Right, why is that?

3: Say I'm a single man from the area, I apply for a one bed apt in my area, get it. I then meet the woman of my dreams, so we apply for either a two bed apt in the same area, or a 3 bed if we're hoping for a family. We get a 3 bed house, raise a family. fast forward 20 years. It's only myself, the marriage didn't work out, but the last of the kids have gone to college. I don't need the 3 bedrooms anymore, so apply for a two bed, so the kids have somewhere to stay when they come over. And when I get into retirement age, there's one bed assisted living flats I can move into.

You may say this is pie in the sky, I see it as aspirational and something to work toward as a society.

Neither, I'd like to stay in Ireland. 🤷‍♂️