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Temu and other sites selling tat - what’s the point?

  • 23-12-2023 11:08am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    I was reading an article on the BBC this morning about how buying from sites like Temu means you could be supporting slavery and child labour.

    Now it’s very difficult to avoid that site these days - they appear to have spent billions on advertising. It’s also a site that doesn’t let you spend money on it without downloading the app - suspicious in itself.

    But when you visit you are struck by just how cheap, tacky and pointless everything is on it - phone cables that will break after a month, knockoff football jerseys, torches, shoes that a Ugandan child soldier wouldn’t be seen dead in etc.

    It’s also an environmental disaster. Cheap nasty plastic that will end up in landfill. Why do people buy this stuff? Is it the idea of a bargain? Does buying it give them a fleeting moment of happiness? Something else?

    Do you really need 25 microsd adapters for a euro?

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,013 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Why don't the Chinese respect copyright? What's their problem?

    I completely avoid sites like this & Shein. As someone who buys a lot of physical media, wouldn't touch anything that comes out of China or Russia. King of the fakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Is Temu not just for data harvesting and planting mal/spy wear?

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,495 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    They don't sell knock off gear or fake football jerseys though.

    If you read the actual article linked you will also see that Temu strictly prohibit the use of forced, penal or child labour.

    Also the reason they have millions upon millions of repeat customers that tell others how great a place it is to shop is because they sell great quality products at unbeatable prices.

    But don't let the facts get in the way of a having a good winge on a public forum a couple of days before Christmas.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The poor at it again I see

    we can save this planet by killing them all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,270 ✭✭✭Poochie05


    Most branded stuff likely comes from the same place but with an inflated price tag



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭lucalux


    I could walk into any phone shop in the nearest towns to get a phone case - spend €15 on it

    Or buy the exact same one for €4.50, along with some other things that are marked way up in local shops but have the exact same factory sources, delivered, for free - in about 10 days

    That's why I bought from them, and would buy again from there

    Loads of crap on the site, but there's also a lot of the exact same stuff you see in Irish shops, but cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Great quality products?

    Here’s from the first 50 items on the homepage.

    All this is just nasty cheap shíte that is produced, shipped around the world and posted out to someone free of charge for that price. It’s complete tat. It just flies in the face of the EU advocating a move to a circular economy, right to repair, renewables etc.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,495 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Selling that nasty cheap shite and complete tat as you call it has taken them from 5.8 million customers in the US in October 2022 to 104.2 million US customers in April 2023 Bob.

    Obviously your opinion isn't shared by too many.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Kind of on topic but kind of not.

    I was in our local shopping center this week and had the misfortune to have to go into The Range.

    My heart sank because I thought back to the time that the unit used to be Debenhams and before that Roaches.

    Places where you could buy good clothes, shoes, beauty products, jewelry, all great products, good quality and great gift ideas.

    Now it's a shop full of tat, pure low quality disposal tat.

    It's such a shame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    God no way would I consider buying from any of them wouldn't even download their apps to have a look.

    Who in God's name wants to support that sh$te?

    It encourages people to buy that and badly made crap that just ends up dumped.

    I don't like being taken for a busride by some Irish/local manufacturers or shops but buying only went absolutely necessary and shopping around a bit works for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Smoking used to be popular didn't make it right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Have to agree with all the negative comments. All this low quality disposable tat is horrific waste.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Exactly this. I know people who just love getting parcels in the post. The contents are largely irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That you can buy the same tat in Dublin more expensive doesn't make it better.

    You have to ask why do they make phones that are as slippery as a bar of soap and/or fragile materials like glass. All of it uneconomical to repair.

    One daft thing after another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Maybe if Irish retailers stopped fleecing us we'd actually shop with them more often, I can get branded products delivered to my door from Amazon cheaper than the local shop



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What makes it worse is Amazon is now full of the same stuff. Full of fake reviews and impossible to find anything decent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That is becoming less true. Amazon is going back to not delivering to Ireland for a lot of things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Irish retailers pay tax in Ireland, pay their staff at least the minimum wage, and many of them maintain a store in the dying main streets of our towns and cities. Bezos has workers urinating in bottles, pays little to no tax, and spends his time firing rockets into space.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,473 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Why is nobody addressing the elephant in the room and calling out the real culprits here?

    Back in my day, there was never this cheap unreliable tat. Back then, all these Chinese 4 and 5 year olds know how to make stuff that lasted. We've seen a massive decline in standards. Why can't the Chinese do something simple like bring the previous generation back in to supervise the news ones? That previous generation would be teenagers now and well able to enforce better standards on today's lazy replacements.

    Kids are just getting away with too much these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    In fairness there are some fantastic bargains, not everything they sell is cheap tat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Yes there is lots of tat, but prices are crazily cheap compared to retail. I bought Christmas lights which were $27 in the local retailer (big box store) for $3.49 same thing as I was replacing some of the ones from last year.

    no app download needed, it took time to deliver but still saved a lot of money.

    sure children need jobs too, it builds character!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    There's a lot of tat on it but also a lot of really good stuff also or indeed stuff that you find here or on other sites at a multitude of what they are on Temu.

    There are a few people here who want to avoid items made in China by the looks of it. It's impossible to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,394 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I love Shein. Got so many great bits of it. It's actually very high quality clothes from it so I have no problem buying off it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Have you any experience of Amazon Ireland? I presume they pay at least minimum wage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Fat fingers from too much Western food. It's Trumps plan to bring manufacturing back to the USA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,495 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    You need to stop being so angry about things that you just spout untruths Bob.

    Between 2014 and 2018 Jeff Bezos paid $972 million dollars in tax.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,082 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Here, did you know there’s a thread in the “Current Affairs” forum where people have a go at Elon Musk?

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    He’s worth approx 170 billion dollars, and makes 1.4 million dollars per hour. He therefore paid less than 0.6% tax. Not quite the win you think. While his workers pass out, aren’t allowed unionise, piss in bottles, and are routinely fired for not meeting targets set by machine learning algorithms.

    But the problem is small Irish businesses charging a couple of quid extra.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Seen multiple examples of Temu selling stuff that was directly ripped off, from people on Etsy...also I have looked at things like dice(for DnD) you could buy 25 sets for the price of 1 or 2 sets from your local game store



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Eventually someone decides it's so cheap there's no point selling it every making them at all.

    It's amazing how so many things have disappeared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,495 ✭✭✭Rows Grower



    $972 million is a lot of money to pay in tax over 4 years in anyones language Bob. An awful lot of money. Almost a million bucks a day if he worked 5 days a week. Then if you add up how much his 1.3 million employees pay in taxes both directly and indiretly you might realize the world needs people of the calibre of Mr. Bezos and companies like Temu.

    You need to look at the bigger picture Bob, if you've got 1.3 million employees there's bound to be a few who are uncouth and choose to urinate into bottles. Also if you don't get rid of the lazy ones that can't meet the targets it's just a recipe for disaster.

    There are plenty of small Irish businesses that treat their employees worse than Mr. Bezo.

    Don't hate the players Bob, hate the game.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.





  • Groaner, you didn’t read his post. You need to start reading posts groaner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Jeff Bezos is a modern day robber baron.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The peeing in bottles is not a "choice", it's a known consequence of Amazon's harsh schedules enforced on its drivers, necessitating drastic steps cos the schedules don't allow for rest stops for the drivers. Coupled with their aggressive attempts to prevent unionisation. It's not unique for delivery drivers to have pressurised schedules but Amazon is especially egregious. If you've ever had an Amazon package delivered and wondered why they practically sprint to your door - this is why.

    An American legal case but I'm not aware of how good or bad Irish drivers have it - the US not known for solid workers rights.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    As to the subject? While I appreciate there are bound to be bargains to be found, it's also a giant mountain of cheap plastic tat that would fall apart about 2 weeks after purchase. Is it any wonder we have a refuse and landfill problem

    Not like we don't have our "own" stores that sell cheap crap; places like Flying Tiger, or the cheaper end of IKEA's stock. Half the stuff in the former just seems like future landfill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    Agreed. It’s about the same quality as your New Look, Dunne’s, River Island type stuff. Which also gets here on a slow boat from China. Virtually no difference, except the massive price savings of course.

    Sustainability concerns and ‘Shop Local’ unfortunately go out the window when you’re on a tight budget, which a helluva lot of people in this country are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,611 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's not true to say that you have to install the app to make a purchase. They do push the app very hard, but you can make purchases through the browser, just like any most sites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,468 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    I never heard of Temu until this thread so it mustn't be that difficult to avoid. But in general, online shops are jammed with tat. It's what the average consumer wants, rubbish that they don't need to distract them from their lives, then after entertaining themselves for a short while they'll move on to something else. Child like mentality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    And it's a waste whether bought from China or a shop down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,627 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Landfills as we know them today didn't even exist until the 1940s

    Apart from organic waste and decomposing bodies, Almost everything was intended to last and was reused.

    Now almost everything is just used once and dumped.

    Even things that we intend to keep for years, phones, furniture mattresses pillows, duvets etc.. Get used for a few years and then landfill.

    It's pretty disgusting when you think about it but that is who we are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Idiots will buy crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    It's like going to one of those cheap tat shops when on holiday, who sell cheap crao for the beach, knock off tobacco, cheap shyte to attract idiot tourists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,495 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Ahh c'mon now pixelburp you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, 3 drivers out of 275,000 drivers that Amazon employ alledge they have been forced to urinate in bottles.

    If Amazon are such a tough company to work for why don't the unhappy workers leave and find a job somewhere else? It's not like they are slaves, they work for Amazon by choice.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Those are the 3 drivers that chose, to use your wording, to sue & it's not the sum absolute of problem employees - don't be so literal or myopic; that doesn't account for however prevalent the problem with folks is but have chosen not to sue. If you read the actual article it notes overflowing bins with excrement and pee bottles - clearly more than 3 in that instance.

    And if you need explaining how low paying jobs are self-perpetuating cycles of necessity then I can't help you. If you're working at subsistence levels, pay cheque to pay cheque, then it's next to impossible to just "find another job". The poor don't choose to be poor, you're being reductive.

    Post edited by pixelburp on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,247 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I had major surgery 2 years ago and upon waking up from it I made a silly purchase online that under normal circumstances I would not have


    So I conclude that these tatty retailers and their advertising techniques work on the vulnerable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,247 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    I'd never heard of temu until this post. My social circles would only shop in high class establishments such as Barbour.

    Because we're all very wealthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,495 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Don't believe everything you read pixleburp and please don't be under any illusion that I need or want any help from you.

    The poor don't choose to be poor is a very broad sweeping statement, it almost lays the blame for their predicament on someone else. Many people are born poor but choose to work hard to lift themselves out of the situation.

    Take Jeff Bezo (the man you seem to think is an inhumane employer) as an example...

    https://www.britannica.com/question/Was-Jeff-Bezos-born-rich

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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