Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

You're missing the point that Israel, as a sovereign country, is entitled to take military action to stop the government of Gaza from future similar incursions onto its territory.

It's truly sh1t for the ordinary Palestinians, but it's what happens when you vote for a terror group to run your country. It's the old problem of voting for an anti democrat: it may well be the last election you'll ever take part in - but that's really not the fault of the neighbouring countries whose role is to protect their citizens, not those of the neighbouring dictatureship.

Try Turkey and the Kurds?

Or indeed Turkey and Armenian Christians.

Or Pakistan and its Christians.

SO many examples, but you're only interested in the Jewish one. Funny, that.

Germany has paid a tiny fraction of what was done - they killed millions - how much shoudl they pay? And you haven't mentioned how much Russia, Lithuania, Czechia etc should pay, because they have paid nothing.

So shouldn't they all pay reparations to the Jews? (And why do you think you get to choose who gets the money? If they live in Israel, that's where it goes.)

There's a lot more owing than just what Germany paid - right? More than enough to pay off all the Palestinians, in fact. Why should only the Jews pay proper reparations?

"I agree the vote passed but it was evident it wouldn’t be accepted and the war started the next day."

Simple as that.,If you don't like the international consensus ,stick the boot in and strangle the newborn state.

Not just that, but 75 years later people will still "understand" why you did it.

If you want to provide me with references cite me something I can find online and not a book

I am interested in Parliamentary proceedings at the time but that doesn't mean to say that the British were immune from prejudice towards the Jews then either.

Sure there were no Irish people before 1921 either.

So, by not accepting colonialism and being pushed of their lands, locals deserved the fate they received. Got it.

I think the fact this is going on a 100 years later would back the opinion that poor decisions were made.

There was a region in the Ottoman Empire known as Palestine, the people who lived there were known as Palestinians. Primarily Arabs. During WW1 the British promised the Arabs a pan-Arab state which the Arabs thought would include modern day Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Paelestine, Jordan and the Western strip of Saudi Arabia, the areas in which they lived. Of course the British reneged on that promise, and along with the French split the region into the various mandates which has led to so much conflict since.

The whole mantra post WW1 was the right of self-determination for ethnic groups/nationalities, except that right was very much at the whim of the Great Powers. Never at any point were the people who lived in what became Palestine given the right to self-determination. Everything was foisted on to them.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Repeatedly instigating and losing wars sacrificing your own people, committing acts of terrorism, well, yeah, you're making poor decisions.

Did the native Americans play stupid games when they tried to resist settlers taking their land? You seem very keen on justifying colonialism?

You seem very keen on ignoring anything that's shows the people of Palestine were ignored and generally screwed over in the cause of Zionism.

Not really surprising to see the imperialistic might is right mindset coming to the fore now.

As we all hunker down for the Christmas with our lovely pints of Guinness in warm pubs I pray for a ceasefire so innocent children dont die.

The conflict is a clusterf**k. A new years resolution I'd love to see happen is a 2 state solution leading to peace. It is actually the only way forward. In time, which could take decades due to barbarism by both Hamas and Israel being c**ts it might happen.

Peace to you and yours this christmas. I despair at the lack of empathy on this thread to thousands of innocent people being killed.

Thanks for the ad hom,fellah!

And everyone who lives in Siberia is a Siberian, but so what? It's a mixture of ethnicities, and the fact that one religion had the power over the all the others for decades, charging them a special tax to be "allowed" to live in their native lands for example, doesn't actually make those people any more entitled to decide on the government than any of the others.

The fact is that the Muslims, specifically Arab Muslims, all around the Middle East and North Africa were determined to chase everyone else, including Jews and Christians - how many Jews are left in North Africa now? They hated the Jews so much that they couldn't bear for them to even have a tiny percentage of the lands being divvied up among the Arabs after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Nor the Armenian Christians in Turkey, nor indeed the Syrian Christians or any anyone else. Only Muslims were to be allowed to have a say in what replaced the Ottomans.

The Christians and Kurds and the Yazidis etc all got pretty much nothing.

Only the effect of the Holocaust in Europe meant that Jews were so desperate that they came anyway, despite everything, and meant also that other countries were shamed into giving the Jews a tiny part of the land, much of it desert, that was being redistributed in the aftermath of the Ottomans and the two WWs.

We've been over this before. It's not colonisation when there is no "motherland" as a home-base for the colonisers.

As for the native Americans, the question is not what they "should have done" at the time. It's whether they'd be entitled now to go into random American homes and rape and murder them today, because their ancestors were forced out of their homes in the past.

No there was no concept of Palestinian being anything other than a geographic designation. Like Siberian describes anyone in Siberia, but is not an ethnicity nor an identity.