Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

They should blame Hamas but no one seriously thinks they will. Israel was provoked but they have killed those kids, even if it was not their intent and all the relatives of those kids will blame them. The cycle of violence will continue.

Netanyahu needs to go ... simple as ... he is a nasty and malign influence .... the mastermind behind withdrawing from the JCPOA Iran deal? Trump? No ... his master Netanyahu ... the biggest arms dealers to Hamas? Netanyahu's pals ... the biggest cheerleader to hardliners in post 2021 Iran? Netanyahu .... the biggest ally of ISIS during the Syrian war ... Netanyahu ... I don't believe for one minute Mossad would not have had pre warning of October 7th either .... this war was well planned and Hamas were allowed to enter Israel for justification purposes ... Netanyahu is a bad man and the Middle East is the mess it currently is because of him and his policies ... I hate Trump but expected more from Biden ... it does not seem to matter who is in power in the US when it comes to Netanyahu ... they will bend over backwards for the little scut ...

Honestly, you show complete lack of awareness. You’ve been provided with excerpts, links to books etc. The issue wasn’t settled at the UN. There are numerous literacy documenting how Palestine et al were opposed to the land split, terms etc. but under pressure after the holocaust and Britain wanting to find a solution pressed ahead and the vote went in. I agree the vote passed but it was evident it wouldn’t be accepted and the war started the next day. It’s more nuanced than to say they attacked Israel. The day before Israel didn’t technically exist. I’m not saying I agree with them attacking but I can rationally understand it.

Again, there were no "Palestinians" prior to about 1960 as there never was a country called Palestine. This became a concept.

As for violent mass murder, get up the yard; again, an aggressive war waged by Egypt/Jordan/Syria against the newly established state of Israel (a recognized country by the UN), had casualties. The war of independence death totals:

"Palestinians:" 1953

Israelis: 6000

all from Wikipedia.

It's fairly clear both sides have committed war crimes over the years. Some might be keen to cast doubt on this due to having skin in the game. They can fall back on if that's the case why has no one ever being prosecuted, well we know the victors, who are backed up by powerful allies, generally don't get held to account for war crimes.

Do you remember there was the case of an ex IDF general about to be arrested in London on foot of warrant for possible war crimes, but he was mysteriously tipped off by a MOD official to stay on the plane.

I am sure this incidence was a timely reminder to both Russia and America why they never signed up to the ICC.

I don't know, maybe they could have given them a US state, but they didn't. I mean, what's your conclusion from that?

Cos if it's "therefore Israel should not exist, and Palestinians are entitled to try to destroy it by murdering Israeli civilians", well I hope you take the same approach to the USA, to Australia, and probably to other countries including Turkey as well.

Because that would be hypocritical of you otherwise, wouldn't it?

You're missing the point that Israel, as a sovereign country, is entitled to take military action to stop the government of Gaza from future similar incursions onto its territory.

It's truly sh1t for the ordinary Palestinians, but it's what happens when you vote for a terror group to run your country. It's the old problem of voting for an anti democrat: it may well be the last election you'll ever take part in - but that's really not the fault of the neighbouring countries whose role is to protect their citizens, not those of the neighbouring dictatureship.

Try Turkey and the Kurds?

Or indeed Turkey and Armenian Christians.

Or Pakistan and its Christians.

SO many examples, but you're only interested in the Jewish one. Funny, that.

Germany has paid a tiny fraction of what was done - they killed millions - how much shoudl they pay? And you haven't mentioned how much Russia, Lithuania, Czechia etc should pay, because they have paid nothing.

So shouldn't they all pay reparations to the Jews? (And why do you think you get to choose who gets the money? If they live in Israel, that's where it goes.)

There's a lot more owing than just what Germany paid - right? More than enough to pay off all the Palestinians, in fact. Why should only the Jews pay proper reparations?

"I agree the vote passed but it was evident it wouldn’t be accepted and the war started the next day."

Simple as that.,If you don't like the international consensus ,stick the boot in and strangle the newborn state.

Not just that, but 75 years later people will still "understand" why you did it.

If you want to provide me with references cite me something I can find online and not a book

I am interested in Parliamentary proceedings at the time but that doesn't mean to say that the British were immune from prejudice towards the Jews then either.

Sure there were no Irish people before 1921 either.

So, by not accepting colonialism and being pushed of their lands, locals deserved the fate they received. Got it.

I think the fact this is going on a 100 years later would back the opinion that poor decisions were made.

There was a region in the Ottoman Empire known as Palestine, the people who lived there were known as Palestinians. Primarily Arabs. During WW1 the British promised the Arabs a pan-Arab state which the Arabs thought would include modern day Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Paelestine, Jordan and the Western strip of Saudi Arabia, the areas in which they lived. Of course the British reneged on that promise, and along with the French split the region into the various mandates which has led to so much conflict since.

The whole mantra post WW1 was the right of self-determination for ethnic groups/nationalities, except that right was very much at the whim of the Great Powers. Never at any point were the people who lived in what became Palestine given the right to self-determination. Everything was foisted on to them.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Repeatedly instigating and losing wars sacrificing your own people, committing acts of terrorism, well, yeah, you're making poor decisions.

Did the native Americans play stupid games when they tried to resist settlers taking their land? You seem very keen on justifying colonialism?

You seem very keen on ignoring anything that's shows the people of Palestine were ignored and generally screwed over in the cause of Zionism.