Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

People have been evading border guards and dodging immigration officials of every nation for millennia. I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. Irish people have done it. How many stories have been told of uncle Jimmy who went to the States on a student visa and just never left? Only now, he can't leave the States because he won't get back in and the US authorities can't be arsed deporting him because he stays below the radar. These people aren't mentioned today because we like to forget that once upon a time in Ireland we were seriously skint and we left as economic migrants to anywhere at all - legally and illegally.

As regards people doing that in Europe? It's not new. It's a policing issue. It doesn't surprise me that it happens, shouldn't surprise anyone really. Am I advocating behaviour like losing my passport and id in a foreign country so I can stay? No, but I'm in the lucky position where I don't have to consider it. I don't have to trek across Africa, get in a bathtub or anything else that'll float to get to the EU etc etc because remaining at home isn't an option.

I imagine many people who have an irregular situation in the States actively avoid immigration officials. Perhaps things aren't as lax as they may have been in the 70's, 80's and 90's. The point I was making was that there have always been people who circumvent the official migration process. It's a fact of life. The eejit who appeared on telly deserved to be deported frankly. I don't think Irish people destroyed their passports but then again whilst they may not have liked the idea of coming back here, I doubt they feared returning to Ireland. Perhaps those people who are destroying theirs are afraid of being sent back to their home country. I don't know, that's a policing problem. I know if my life and the lives of my family were in danger and I'd manged to get them to the EU, if destroying passports etc., made being sent back more difficult. I can certainly see why people do it.

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas on Thursday said immigration officers can no longer detain and deport people from the U.S. solely because they are undocumented. 

I'll put money on that changing if the next President is a Republician.

Well its hard to work out if they really are fleeing a dangerous situation if they won't say what country they are coming from.

A genuiune person would have no difficulty disclosing that information to officals.

Wonder what happened to Lucas from Brazil who RTE invited to Upfront with Katie Hannon, he was claiming to be a refugee until the photos appeared of him backpacking around Europe before coming here.

And yet some posters here argue we aren't a soft mark country.

No its not, deportations were happening for overstayers in the time period I mentioned and are still happening for those who arrived after Nov 2020 and ICE still exists.

The next paragraph

This includes people suspected of terrorism or espionage, those who have committed serious crimes and migrants who illegally crossed the U.S.-Mexico border after Nov. 1, 2020.

Except the guidelines themselves don't limit it to the Mexican border, that's just the writer editorializing.

Threat to Border Security

A noncitizen who poses a threat to border security is a priority for apprehension and removal.

A noncitizen is a threat to border security if:

(a) they are apprehended at the border or port of entry while attempting to unlawfully enter

the United States; or

(b) they are apprehended in the United States after unlawfully entering after November 1,

2020.

And the 11 million current illegal immigrants will not be deported on the basis of being undocumented.

point is, Ireland is not some kind of unique country.

www.migrationpolicy.org/article/recalcitrant-uncooperative-countries-refuse-deportation

Although the United States regularly deports more than 200,000 people each year, nearly 1.2 million noncitizens who had been ordered removed had not left the country as of January 2021, according to a federal court filing; in 2020, only about 18 percent of people who had received such orders were deported. 

In the European Union, just 19 percent of non-EU citizens with orders to leave were returned to countries outside Europe during the 2015-19 period,

Those fake passports are valuable, in some cases they probably travel with fixers who collect them after boarding the planes, then the fixer who is legal just flies back to the departure point . That's what I'm guessing .

Again, as I said in an earlier post, this isn't the invasion of the Mongol Hordes. I sure as hell don't want the EU to go down the track advocated by the right wing loony headers in the UK. What people over there fail to realise is that by removing human rights protections they are are also stripping themselves of human right protections. That is ultimately what this boils down to. Human Rights. So what if these people are from Nigeria or Pakistan? It's a hell of a hike from either country to get to the EU. It's not like Jimmy gets up one morning and goes, 'you know what? I think I'll move to another continent. It's an awfully quiet Tuesday!' Nobody gets up on one random Tuesday and decides to a: move to another continent and b: do it as a refugee!

Whether we like it or not this little country benefitted from our time as part of the British Empire. We can be pedantic or face the fact that lovely bits of infrastructure built in Ireland over the course of the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries probably came from monies acquired from empire.

There is also the uncomfortable fact that us as Europeans did have an empire. Europe benefited from that. You could in fact argue that it never went away, we just replaced gunboats and troops with economics.

There are foreigners in Ireland? So what? Legally, people from all over the EU can come to Ireland if they like. The EU borders stretch to all sorts of parts of the world. Territories in far flung parts of the world who voted to remain part of the EU. The bonus is that if we get it into our heads to go there, we can!

If the 'foreigners' of which you speak are refugees, their claims will be processed and they will either be allowed remain or be sent home. If they break the law, the police and courts will deal with them. It's life, it's complicated!

Right but how are you going to strictly police the 6 counties border?

No problem, just apply for a work visa like they would have to do for the US,Canada, Australia etc