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Dublin airport new routes 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I’m no expert, but I had a friend (sadly deceased ) who piloted 747’s. & He told me that the problem for 380’s into Dublin is the wingspan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭jwm121


    28L/10R also cannot support the weight of the A380



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭moonshy2022


    Say what now ?!



    Let’s be clear, Dublin can handle the A380, airside ops in the DAA doesn’t want one as it causes too many headaches trying to get it to and from its stands.


    Indeed Dublin nearly had one divert in in 2019. The limiting factor at the time was lack of a tow bar to push it off the stand. That has since been rectified.


    I’ve seen many different reasons given for Dublin not having one, but weight is a new one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭jwm121


    28L/10R is way older and cannot support its weight. Although It can definitely land and take off from the north runway. They can taxi it on 34/16 to T2 for Emirates. I think it should be considered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭Kev11491


    Anyone have a notion as there where the info on the 3 A350s is coming from on Wikipedia?



  • Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭Kev11491


    Sorry meant to pop this into the EI fleet chat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    No source, it's someone having a laugh. Aer Lingus are still in talks with Airbus and Boeing for a potential replacement for the older A330s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭HTCOne



    Curious where you heard this? The A124 carrying the locomotive set years ago is comparable to the MLW of an A388.


    Yes it can taxi to T2....if there's a full ground stop for everyone else and there's no other aircraft on the adjacent gate. The outermost 300 gates CAN accommodate one in an emergency (the one Cathey always wanted in particular) but it would cause anarchy whilst on the move.

    In an emergency one can come in yes, realistically it would use the North runway and be sent to the west apron if possible, but there'd be a ground stop in advance depending on which direction it came in on, it would need to backtrack to 16/34. In reality, any emergency serious enough where they're not going to go to EINN or EGCC means they're probably stopping on a runway anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    An124 has a MLW of around 330,000kg, A388 is up around 400,000kg afaik so there is a big difference.

    But I still don't see how the runway wouldn't be able to take the weight, that's never been mentioned before as a factor for why the a380 can't land here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭moonshy2022


    Not true sorry.


    while technically heavier than a 777-300, the A380 has more bogies and tyres to spread its weight more. Therefore the 380 can operate in to any airport a 777-300 can. With some limiting factors obviously.


    10Rs PCN is less than 10Ls but it’s still greater than both 27L and R at Heathrow which is a very regular handler of 380s.


    I’ll say it again, I’ve heard of some strange reasons why people think Dublin doesn’t have 380 operations, but weight isn’t the reason. I’ve given you the only reason Dublin doesn’t have 380’s above.


    source- EIDW AD 2.24-1

    AD 2-EGLL-2-1



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,488 ✭✭✭✭cson


    That and I suppose the fact its not long for this world meaning the investment you need to make in arranging a gate set up & taxi/pushback procedure for what'd only be 1x daily Emirates at best, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭moonshy2022


    I also can’t see many handling companies willing to look to spend big bucks on GSE to service the top floor.


    Anyway, all of this is pointless given this topic is for NEW routes 2024.



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Tangey99


    Not a new route, but I'm booked on EY45 AUH-DUB end of march, and it is showing as an A350-1000. Previously this was a 787 I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It varies depending on which day of the week it is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭jwm121


    When will the DAA release the passenger numbers for 2023 at DUB? Are they scared to do so because they're over the cap or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭dublin12367


    it will probably be this week or next. It’ll be worded in a way that although the figure is likely to be ~ 33.5m, that over 1.5 million of that figure are transfer/ transit passengers thus remaining below the cap for 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    CSO collate and release the figures in the first place, so no, that's not a delay reason.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭jwm121


    QR17 from Doha to Dublin has been operated on a 359 since the 10th of the month and looks to be staying, any reason for this? I heard they were adding a 3rd daily flight in summer but don't know if that's true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    Would like to see Etihad go double daily – I can't bring myself to do a 2:00am flight back to Ireland from the UAE.

    Sticking with Emirates for now even though AUH is more convenient for what I need.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭dublin12367


    Great to see the a359 on this route so frequently this week.

    If QR goes triple daily, Emirates won’t be too far behind either with a triple daily.

    Ethihad CEO recently said all routes in Europe will become double daily in the near future as they re -expand. DUB was previously double daily so might not be too far away either. https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/airlines-lessors/ceo-interview-etihads-neves-outlines-plans-renewed-growth



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭jwm121


    I've heard a lot of talk recently on how the cap will effect the economy and the report done by Aer Lingus, is there a chance it could be lifted now by the government or something? Surely they wouldn't be talking about is so much if it was just wait until the planning gets permission?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The Government cannot overrule planning processes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    It's possible we may not even get more capacity in the car parks at the rate our planning authorities make decisions. In this case the competition regulator and I'm not even joking.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,222 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The government could introduce legislation to move planning for airports to a new process directly with An Board Pleanala or other authority, so that it skips the local authority. Like the process that exists for planning and development Railways (including Luas/Metro) called a Railway Order which skips local authorities and goes straight to ABP.

    The government just did this a few months ago for offshore wind projects. Based on legislation introduced two years ago they set up a new authority called MARA, Maritime Area Regulatory Authority. MARA has full authority for planning of new offshore wind farms (and other sea related activities like foreshore licensing). No local authorities involved, no ABP involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,925 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    the government should simply remove some powers from planning authorities, like setting caps on airport figures, waste of time and outside the planning bodies remit in my opinion



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    That passenger cap is annoying. It'd be great to get some directs to Brazil, Japan, India, Thailand and South Africa, transferring in mainland europe for asia is a pain when you have to spend so much money booking a decent seat. Much smaller airports like Helsinki, Brussels and Lisbon seem to have a better range of destinations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    I doubt the passenger cap will have much if any impact on the provision of long haul services.

    The cap wasn't hit until 2023 – so there would have been no problem inserting any of the destinations you highlight had an airline been willing.

    Even today I'd guess if the likes of Japan Airlines or Singapore Airlines came calling, the daa would find a way.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    They probably feel like they have enough hubs covered in Europe which is why we should really have aer lingus providing connectivity to the far east and south america



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,488 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Have you considerd that the legacy effects of colonialism may the reason for the existence of many of those 'exotic' routes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    I thought the cap was 40 million? 2023 was probably 34mln? So I thought (perhaps incorrectly) it wasn’t an issue yet?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    Honestly, it remains a bit surprising to me that Aer Lingus doesn't send some of their long haul fleet to places other than North America.

    The closure of the US to foreigners during COVID should have been a wake-up call indicating what happens when you have most/all eggs in one basket.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,982 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I do agree, but can also see the logic behind it.

    They would be trying to squeeze into a market that is already familiar/prepared with transferring at a larger Euro hub.


    Icelandair don't have routes very far to the East either. St.Petersburg is their furthest route East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,484 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The cap is ~33m, the planning app is to go to 40



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭moonshy2022


    For Aer Lingus its their strength, for everything else there is IAG.


    Aside from that EI management are risk adverse so it doesn’t surprise me. Think of it another way, where to the east or south would they go that would make an impact. It would be the drop in the ocean, competing against already very well established carriers.


    Where as going west they are already making an impact and are ticking off the big markets in the US and some of Canada, so when a customer looks at their route map they go “oh, I might use them for XXX next time”.


    Plus their entire SH prime market network is designed to link in to their west bound LH network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch




  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    Singapore fly from Singapore - Manchester - Houston. Would we be likely to see a connection like that via Dublin. Something like Malaysian from Kuala Lumpur - Dublin - JFK or Thai from Bangkok - Dublin - Chicago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    In lots of cases yes but i dont think finland ever conquered china to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    It seams all the new routes are to mid size us cities, like Denver is great and all but I think North america is well covered at this stage, we're missing connectivity with whole other continents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Iceland is a microstate in population terms smaller than Luxembourg, with 1 international airport with less than 20% of Dublin's passengers, I'd say we can aim a lil higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,212 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That’s down to Finnair maximising the potential of Finland’s geographic location, offering a one stop option to long haul destinations through Helsinki in much the same way as Aer Lingus are doing with their Dublin hub for North America.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,792 ✭✭✭Neilw


    I heard a rumour of a Dublin to Nashville direct flight starting, any truth in that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Well...if every Irish Garth Brooks fan even used it once, it would be the busiest transatlantic route from Dublin....



  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭Eclectic Econometrics


    What weighs heavier when these routes are planned, is it the amount of footfall coming in or increasing options for those going out?

    It is 2024 and I still have to connect in London to go to the Caribbean. The Caribbean ffs. Not even one flight a week to Barbados. Denver and Minneapolis smells like catering for the incoming traffic.

    Tell me if I am wrong. I am open to learning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,161 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Anecdotally, I just haven't heard of The Caribbean as a mainstream or typical holiday destination for Irish people that would make it an obvious choice for direct flights. I work in a 500+ person multinational bank and there is always someone coming or going from holidays in other unserved direct flight destinations such as South East Asia or Vegas or even South Africa or South America. Rarely do I hear of the Carribean..maybe an occasional honeymoon. I think those other holiday destinations would be considered as possible routes first? As I said, this is just anecdotal evidence from a large cross range of good salaried white collar workers. It may or may not be indicative of more far flung Irish holiday trends in general but I think its a decent barometer of demand...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,488 ✭✭✭✭cson


    A lot of you are looking at this with your green tinted glasses on in terms of simple O&D from Ireland.

    • The likes of CLE, BDL and BNA, PIT (if they happen) are not targeting O&D Irish passengers. The plan here, I'm pretty certain, is tohave a model similar to PLAY/Icelandair shuttling pax between North America and Continental Europe.
    • The Carribean is mostly targeting UK leisure passengers where there is a relatively mature market of that being a beach destination for them - the success of the BGI flight ex MAN bears this out. DUB in this instance would essentially be performing as a 3rd LHR runway in a similar manner to how they've used LGW for leisure flights.




  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭Eclectic Econometrics


    When I go, I overnight in London as the flights leave the UK early. Coming back you land in the morning and connect straight away, so I am able to notice a few people that were on the same flight from the Caribbean as me.

    Don't get wrong, you are probably correct in terms of demand. However, it is a bit chicken and egg. Without the flights there is no promotional activity. The Caribbean as a whole spends a lot. The individual countries, hotels, cruise lines etc.

    What is strange, to me, is that Aer Lingus fly to Barbados from Manchester. If they set this plane down for an hour in Dublin it would save me a lot of hassle ;-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭FR738


    Not sure about your first point, it’s no coincidence they fly to these places like BDL, CLE and the potential destinations we hear of like PIT BUF etc. All have sizable Irish American populations. Sure, it’s not the only reason but it would be a big factor for new route planning.

    The new CLE flight during the summer had 90%+ loads, brilliant for a new route but it didn’t line up with many connecting flights as it didn’t land until 8am, of course you could connect to London or Paris for example but it would lead me to believe it was mostly O&D.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,822 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Dublin has direct connections to 40 countries, Manchester has 53, schipol has almost 100. Even if we had 2 more routes, 1 to SE Asia and 1 to Brazil I'd be happy



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  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭jwm121


    2023 figures released and Dublin served 31,908,471 passengers, seems underwhelming considering all the talk that went on plus the fact that Dublin is above 2019 levels, but I'm 90% sure that doesn't include transit passengers

    Anyone know the figure including transit passengers?

    I don't know if it's the cap causing Dublin's lower numbers but Lisbon, an airport with 1 runway and limited taxiway and terminal space served over 33 million, not sure if that includes transit passengers or not

    The cap seriously needs to go anyway, hopefully this year before summer



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