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Should big shops open on St Stephen's Day for the sales?

  • 26-12-2023 4:13pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭


    I don't work in retail but I feel a lot of sympathy for people working in the likes of Arnotts and Brown Thomas who have to come into work today. What is so urgent or important about what they're selling, that they can't wait until at least tomorrow or the day after before opening? Shop workers are run off their feet coming up to Christmas and the least any employer should do is let them have 2 days off. How can you enjoy yourself properly on Christmas Day if you know you have to get up and go to work the next morning? It's also pathetic that people have nothing better to do with their lives than tramp around shops on the 26th. Are they bored or what?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    I think people should enjoy what time they have off. The sales aren't really worth it, It's just shops getting rid of older, unwanted stock. Let the workers enjoy their day off. The price reductions are not much, and prices were probably raised a few weeks before and then reduced. People should enjoy their time off, the shops and these so-called "Sales" are they really worth it?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They get two days off every week. They'll get at least that this week too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,496 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Who is the OP to be telling everybody else what they can or can't do?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,940 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    I would agree with the OP that there is really no need for all the big stores to start their winter sales today as opposed to tomorrow, the 27th.

    It’s pure wanton greed IMO and also shows how much contempt retail workers are treated with by their profit-obsessed employers.

    Is it really too much to wait another day so that exhausted retail workers can have another day to rest and be with their loved ones or is it a case of “f**k the shop staff and their welfare, I want to be able to shop where and when I want on St. Stephen’s Day?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I'd go further and ask why tomorrow? Go back to the traditional January sales starting on 2nd January and let retail workers have a proper break after a month of madness and long hours.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I would say no. What's the rush?

    Retail staff deserve a proper Christmas too.

    Holding off on the Sales until at least the 27th would be good, holding off until the 2nd of January would be better.

    The same applies to supermarkets. I think its great that Aldi and Lidl close their stores for 2 days so their staff can enjoy christmas.

    Stock up people!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭ruth...less


    In a time where anyone get anything they want online it seems stupid. Retailers need to stop trying to keep up with online **** and make themselves more unavailable.

    Though I'm one of those people that'd be happy for most shops to shut again on Sundays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭bmc58


    A big NO.Can you not do without big retail shops for at least two days?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    There are no real sales anymore just shops getting rid of stuff at a pathetic discount to people who don't seem capable of staying out of shops. for more than one day.

    Our local supervalu open today. Yet Dunne's and the German shops can manage to close for two days.

    Next I presume with their 6am sale that shoppers queue for and then complain after that it's only tat brought out for sale.

    Not worth it😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Definitely think the shops should stay closed today , kind of impacts on Christmas day knowing you have to get early next day for work there are plenty of other days to shop .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Retail staff are paid hourly for the most part, so if the shop is closed they are either using up their holiday days or taking unpaid leave.


    Maybe it's just anecdotal, but I worked 6 retail jobs in my life and people were always fighting to get extra hours, especially on public holidays because the pay was higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Lots of people work all over xmas. I was in a petrol station on my way home from work yesterday buying milk, two workers in there.

    I'm sure there are enough staff that those that don't want to work, won't have to. Plenty don't mind, might not even celebrate Xmas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    It's a public holiday so don't they get paid more if they work today (or get to take another day off in lieu). I know a few people working today (not retail) and they're getting paid a different rate for today. I used to work it myself a looooong time ago. Didn't really mind it, everybody was in a good mood.

    That said though I don't care about the sales. I never go to any shops on Stephens Day. They're open enough days of the year. These days it's more important to me to go into a quiet shop where I can stroll around and get somebody to assist easily rather than one overflowing and everybody is busy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    If I was running the place, the 25th and 26th would be two retail free days. Apart from essential services and certain critical industries, no one should have to work on the 26th, least of all to go to a job to sell idiots flatscreens with 10% off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,126 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Do you feel the same way about pubs and hospitality staff?

    FWIW lots of big shops eg Dunnes, Lidl, Aldi, Eason, were closed. Even though some of their staff are not Christian and have no interest in celebrating Christmas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,489 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Yes I agree it's crap the retail shops are open on St.Stephen's day.

    Unfortunately though I do put it down to the move away from xmas being a Christian occasion. If it's just a holiday for everyone, to be inclusive like, then frankly I don't see why the shops would feel like they have to be closed.

    Having said that and since I'm really cynical I wouldn't be surprised that all this happy holidays shyte is a conspiracy by big businesses to de-christianify the xmas period so they can have the shops open 24/7 while enough people are off work so they can do nothing but go on a spending spree binge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    It's competition. If shop A doesn't open, shop B will and vice versa. Unless they come to some sort of arrangement but that's unlikely.

    Same with opening hours, if shop A opens up an hour later than competition they will be conceding sales.

    As long as shoppers are happy to go out, the shops will open



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Absolutely no reason the likes of Arnotts, Brown Thomas etc should be open today.

    It's terrible, staff who are so busy in the run up to Christmas can't have two days off.

    People are like sheep, not even that many bargains. Go online if you really have to.

    I do love a nice bag in sale, but very limited ones that are actually in the sale at the moment. As others said just trying to get rid of stock.

    The real ' sale' is actually in Nov when a lot of shops do a geniue 20% of almost everything.

    I don't think any shops should be open today including supermarkets etc.

    Only exception should be say local petrol station, but not them all.

    I was actually shocked yesterday how many petrol stations were open. Only a few years ago nearly all would be closed on Christmas Day with the odd one open.

    I actually wouldnt open pubs restaurants etc either, let as many people as possible enjoy these two days at Christmas.

    People can escape from their families then tomorrow if all too much for them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭appledrop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭teediddlyeye


    I'd go for the full week till new years at least.

    "I never thought I was normal, never tried to be normal."- Charlie Manson



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  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭GHendrix


    I used to be one of those people that couldn’t understand why shops wouldn’t just close for at least 2 days and why people just had to go out.

    Now I have 2 young kids and it’s essential for my sanity to get them out for a bit.

    So I personally delighted that Costa was open.

    I worked over Christmas a lot in my retail days. I actually enjoyed the double time pay and usually a quieter day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Yup, former retail worker here too.

    I absolutely loved the madness of Christmas, you were busy but there's usually lots of staff in.

    The extra pay is brilliant, I vaguely remember getting triple pay for one of the days.

    However you'll only be rostered for the legal amount of hours, so while the shops are open the individual worker will still be only doing the same amount of hours per week as they did in June (management may be slightly different, however most places have a clause that all head office staff have to do hours on the shop floor during Christmas...the biggest headwreck for the normal shop workers, so that gives management a breather too)

    Personally I wouldn't go in to the sales today, however I'm out and about tmw and I will be using the shops to kill a few hours while I wait on someone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,613 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's not just knowing about it. Next staff were required to be in at 3am for 6am opening,which means that they can barely have a drink with their Christmas dinner.

    N9 need for it at all. They should be closed on the 26th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,613 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Go to the park or visit their Auntie like any sensible person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭appledrop


    I have two young kids too but certainly wouldn't bring them to a shop to get them out sure thats more hassle than its worth!

    We spent a lovely few hours in park today so they can burn off all the energy and hopefully sleep tonight!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,000 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I do feel sorry for the retail workers who don't want to work but I hope there paid well.

    Similar I do believe some people are happy with the extra cash.

    However with Black Friday, etc. I've no idea why you'd want to get up early and go out to a shopping center when you could be relaxing at home.

    Surely they could be something else you could do visit family, play games, do stuff outside(Weather permitting), etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭appledrop


    It was great to see how many people were out walking in family groups today, it was the ideal day for it.

    Yep, I agree freshpopcorn it's a time for visiting family and playing board games, not shopping.

    On a side note we played Cluedo today that Santa brought and I was shocked that they have tried to change it from years ago!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,955 ✭✭✭YellowLead


    It probably depends on individual workers whether they enjoy it or not - when I was a student working Stephen’s day was grand, I was very happy to get the money and didn’t feel like I was missing family time (had enough of them on Christmas Day lol) but it’s tough for older people with kids I assume, same for hotel/restaurant/bar/hospital/public transport staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,000 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    We once played Junior Cluedo and we struggled.(It was about eating a chocolate cake.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Oh we have Junior Cluedo aswell, I actually didn't mind it too much, good when he was younger but now he is 7 he wants an upgrade to the real thing😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I thought this had fizzled out a bit after covid but it seems some of the major retailers are pushing it regardless. Absolutely no need for it at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,854 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    They should definitely be closed on the 26th. Selling useless crap to many people who will be struggling financially in the new year...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭appledrop




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,394 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    And other ways to shop to.

    Retail workers should get a choice. Either two days before and one day after Christmas off or one day before and two days after. They coukd decide as a group in stores which they want to do it maybe have a vote and if the shop is big enough to have rotating staff then half and half. So some get two days off before Christmas day and some after. They could take turns each year.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Vote with you feet, if people do not bother going in the shops will not bother opening, sad thing is that it is only a matter of time until more shops open on Christmas day too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I have never witnessed so much pushing in the media for retail this Christmas

    anyone else notice this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    Well that's it.

    I remember in the 90's when I was working in the local supermarket part-time, being asked did I not hate working on a Sunday? She went on to tell me that was one of the reasons she studied to be a pharmacist was chemists don't open on a Sunday (uh-huh)

    The lack of self awareness was baffling....the supermarket wouldn't be open if the likes of her weren't in doing a shop.

    As for me I was on double time so I was happy.

    The big stores have plenty of staff and hire extra specifically to cover Christmas. You'll find the normal full-time staff will have days off over the period. It's the part-time staff that are in.....most of them will be let go mid January, so they'll be happy enough working all the hours they can.

    The retail staff to feel sorry for are the small convenience store and garage staff....as usually they only have a skeleton staff to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,531 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Someone spare a thought for the customers who have to give up their day off to make it worthwhile for the shop assistants to go in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    You do realise we now live in a multicultural country where a lot of people don’t believe or celebrate Christmas?


    Very naive and small minded of you to assume everyone loves Christmas or believes in it. To a lot it’s just another day to earn some money. Nothing at all wrong with that.


    Times have changed and so has Ireland has along with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,084 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    I’d ban them from opening Sundays also.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭JVince


    Absolutely shocking Joe, "forced" to work.

    There should be a rule that no domestic violence takes place at Christmas, no drug gang murders or children being abused.

    2nd Worst of all is people getting sick - how dare they. And worst of all is those already sick.

    FFS, why can't gardai, help line staff, medical staff, emergency staff etc etc etc not have "family" time and have all these snowflakes begging for retail staff to have a week off.

    It's not fair Joe. Not fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,394 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I got a better idea. Why don't you just go live in France or other European countries where they are closed as you like. There is nothing wrong with them being open on a Sunday. Besides as a poster above said they get double pay on a Sunday. You swear the day was special or something. Its just another day and to some it's probably the only day they wlll get to do their shop or go for some entertainment.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Nanny state bolix, wouldn’t be my preference to shop on Stephen’s day , I hate shopping , but you have a business wanting to open, people willing to work for extra pay and shoppers willing to buy. What’s the problem? Because you don’t fancy it you think it should be made illegal. That is more pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,295 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,569 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I'm working over Xmas, couldn't give 2 fcuks about the hype and would gladly work it and take hols when the weather isnt shìte. Not everyone cares about a Hallmark Channel Xmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I didn't say shops should remain closed because of people "loving or believing" in Christmas.

    I don't care who celebrates it or who doesn't.

    I gave my opinion on sales being delayed for one day until the 27th, to allow for a proper two day break after a very busy time in the retail sector.

    So take your ad hominem attack and stuff it up the turkey. 🦃

    Merry Christmas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    They legally have to get something , same as Bhs, mula or time in lieu



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Sunday is just counted as a standard working day for some people, nothing extra. I personally think any owner who opens a big store on Stephens day are ar**holes and the people who shop their on Stephens day are also ar**holes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,126 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Why, though?

    Lots of the extra staff who are hired for the Christmas season are happy to work as many hours as they can get.

    Sure, YOU like to have a rest and a family holiday. But some people don't, and don't appreciate being forced to not work at Christmas.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 3,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dr Bob


    might have changed in the last 20 years or so ..

    I worked retail in the mid 90s for a few years , and it was just time in lieu (basically you were expected to work one weekend day and take one weekday off for most of the year , and getting close to Christmas it was two weekend days with TIL in the new year if I remember rightly.)



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